re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"

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Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure GOT had higher ratings, at least for the live viewings.

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Yes. Westworld's season one viewership thus far is higher than both GoT and True Detective during their season one runs.

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The issue is that all of the soldiers that William slaughtered had gears, too.

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Ah, I was in and out of the room in that scene and didn't catch that. That's a smoking gun. Thank you.

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Elsie was on the phone with Bernard right before she was taken. Bernard was with Theresa. I'm telling y'all. She was taken by the real Arnold.

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No. Bernard saw a flashback of him choking Elsie.

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There was scene between when Bernard last speaks with Elsie and when she is abducted/killed. It is not immediate. It has twice been implied that she is dead, which seems like all the reason to theorize she's not.

She and Stubbs are kidnapped together, waiting to see what new host their blood is getting transferred to.

Anybody else think the Delos Corporation got its start in the 3D printing of body tissue business?

Also, I have a feeling that we'll get tied back to Theresa as a child meeting with Ford at the Agave Plantation. Maybe she's another sister of Logan.

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So in reality, she has actually been messed up all of this time?

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I don't think so. She definitely was involved in some bad juju way back when Arnold was still around that seems to be involved with his death. I'm not sure of the nature of what happened then, and we'll likely find out at least some next week. After that, she spent long periods of time just being the rancher's daughter, with her loop destining her for a tragic end more often than not.

I think the Delores going off her rocker stuff where all of her memories are echoing back and forth across each other are recent and due to Ford's reverie code. I think she's flashing back to things she's done and had done to her over the last 35 years and is losing it because she experiences them as real every time and she's seeing things about herself that her core attributes just do not allow her to be able handle.

Contrast this with Maeve, whose core attributes allows her to accept and act on the revelations she's been given instead of just losing her mind.

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What do we think about Dolores getting stabbed and then being fine all of a sudden? Was that two separate time frames as well?

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My take on all things like that are that she's in a definite location, and her brain is jumping around to memories of other times she's been there. So, yes, I think she's flashing back to all of the things she's been subjected to through her history, but for storytelling reasons, we're just seeing the ones that are important to the timeframes the show is presenting to us.

Imagine how your brain jumps around when you go to one of your regular restaurants to eat. Every time you go there, you remember something about one of your other visits. Some memories elicit stronger responses in your brain and are very vivid and you spend more time thinking about them; others are just on the fringe of recollection and your brain just moves on from them as fast as they're recalled. The important parts, though are that the recall itself is triggered by the place you're in, and you are aware of them as just memories.

Now, imagine it from Delores' perspective. She's never had real memories before. She's just had her loop and what she was programmed to "remember" as part of her loop, and she wasn't even aware of that fact because it's hard to be aware of what "now" means without real memory (in the show they even touch on this idea of memory as the cornerstone of consciousness). All of a sudden, the reverie update comes and she starts experiencing things that aren't part of her "now" and what her loop programming makes her remember. She doesn't know what these things she's experiencing are; she has no real concept of "memory" or what it is, at least nothing that wasn't explicitly programmed as part of her loop. But, once the reverie update hits, she suddenly has access to those memories that aren't explicit parts of her loop and starts to become conscious, no longer being a player piano, but becoming a piano player (I love that player piano imagery, BTW). For her, though, because of how her brain is built, every time it flickers to a memory, she experiences it not as something that she knows happens in the past, but as something every bit as real as if it were happening to her right that instant. Couple all of that with the fact that she's remembering some bad shite that went down at the beginning and that her normal narrative usually had a tragic end and you get Delores losing her mind because she just can't cope with it.

I'm wondering if William and Logan are going to stumble on her body, or at least her with the cut still in tact. Also, didn't the MIB say he saved the park? So is William about to save everyone?

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I doubt he will save anything. He is an executive for the company that will come to own the park with Ford. I'm sure he had something to do with buying it after whatever happens. So maybe that is what he means by saving it.

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That's my impression as well. The MiB is high up in Delos and has been with the company for some time. At some point in the past, he was instrumental in securing Delos' investment in the park, "saving" it from financial ruin and failure. Further, I think it's pretty clear that Ford resents the frick out of the fact that he's got a corporate partner, but had to agree if he didn't want his dream to die.

Someone earlier in this thread also asked if it were possible that Delos' original business was 3D printing body parts. That really does work on so many levels if we assume that Delos bailed the park out.

If true, then Delos' technology could be what allowed for the eradication of disease in humans that was mentioned early in the show's run. If MiB is also high up in Delos' organization and is well-known, then the eradication of disease nicely explains the interaction early in the show's run where another guest recognizes the MiB and praises him for what he's done on the outside. The large investment by Delos in the park would explain the access MiB has to the park. Finally, Delos investing in the park paired with its 3D body part printing tech would explain very nicely the transition and the leap forward from machinery hosts to flesh and blood hosts.

Ok just started Episode 1 again.

Its tying together a lot better.

Anyone wonder why we haven't seen anymore of the milk stuff? Did I miss something there?

9?

Best one yet by far.

A lot of answers are starting to come together. Can tell they are revving up for the climax.