re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"

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How long was it from the time Arnold died to the time Bernard was created?

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A long time. See the pictures I posted earlier.

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Were there really only Ford/Bernard at the beginning? Sounds implausible. A place like that would seemingly have had to have a good bit of employees, no?

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No, there were other workers. Not a lot though. They all lived on site in the town with the church. We don't know if they were there when Dolores killed all the host or not. She may have killed them along with Arnold. We know the board went through great lengths to cover Arnold up so maybe they paid the workers off to keep hush or they were killed too. It was not many of them, I expect to see that outcome in episode 10.

That was the host version of Ford's father that Arnold created.

Did Dolores kill Arnold?? She says she did, but Ford could have been the one to plant that seed in her mind. I'm starting to believe Ford killed Arnold and set Dolores up for it because Ford saw Arnold as a threat to his plans for \W/. Dolores was an easy scapegoat, but the fact remains that Arnold built her so it's gonna come back and bite Ford in the arse when it's all said and done.

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No, there were other workers. Not a lot though. They all lived on site in the town with the church. We don't know if they were there when Dolores killed all the host or not. She may have killed them along with Arnold. We know the board went through great lengths to cover Arnold up so maybe they paid the workers off to keep hush or they were killed too. It was not many of them, I expect to see that outcome in episode 10.

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Just seems like from building the sets to the hosts, to their clothing and retooling and setting them back up for production when they were doing 3 years of testing would be a pretty big undertaking requiring many employees. I think I'm missing something on the timeline. It just seems very implausible to have a skeleton crew doing the 3 years of testing.

I still don't see how any of that proves that William and the Man in Black don't occupy the same temporal space. She ran away from the camp to the town which has now been re-excavated for the new narrative and runs into the MiB. Yes, before the park opened, her and Handsome McDiesAllTheTime murdered everyone. That has become the inspiration for the new Wyatt storyline, which is what the town was dug up for.

Yes, when they cut her open, there were gears, but she is the oldest remaining host in the park. She should contain gears.

This show has been filled with flashbacks since the beginnig, but I see no compelling evidence, yet, that William and Logan and the Man in Black are not contemporaries 35 years after Delores killed all the hosts in the town.

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Just seems like from building the sets to the hosts, to their clothing and retooling and setting them back up for production when they were doing 3 years of testing would be a pretty big undertaking requiring many employees.

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Just remember that back then, the town was all there was. They didn't have the expansive sprawl of the park or the multiple narratives, etc. There was just that one little town they had to build with only a handful of hosts.

It's akin to thinking about what it takes Disney to run all of Disneyworld today including the on-site hotels, restuarants, golf courses, waterparks, etc. versus what it took for them to run only the Magic Kingdom when it first opened in the 70's.

Westworld is simply orders of magnitude larger now than it was when it was first being developed.

90 minute season finale!!

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still don't see how any of that proves that William and the Man in Black don't occupy the same temporal space. She ran away from the camp to the town which has now been re-excavated for the new narrative and runs into the MiB. Yes, before the park opened, her and Handsome McDiesAllTheTime murdered everyone. That has become the inspiration for the new Wyatt storyline, which is what the town was dug up for.

Yes, when they cut her open, there were gears, but she is the oldest remaining host in the park. She should contain gears.

This show has been filled with flashbacks since the beginnig, but I see no compelling evidence, yet, that William and Logan and the Man in Black are not contemporaries 35 years after Delores killed all the hosts in the town.

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Just seems like from building the sets to the hosts, to their clothing and retooling and setting them back up for production when they were doing 3 years of testing would be a pretty big undertaking requiring many employees. I think I'm missing something on the timeline. It just seems very implausible to have a skeleton crew doing the 3 years of testing.

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Maybe, here is the quote though.

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"For three years, we lived here in the park, refining the hosts before a single guest set foot inside. Myself, a team of engineers, and my partner. His name was Arnold. Those early years were glorious. No guests, no board meetings, just pure creation. Our hosts began to pass the Turing test after the first year

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Delores is a very unreliable narrator. She is basically going insane during her time with William. The more she remembers the more confused she is about her loop and time. She does give insight but I'm not basing any timeline speculation on her memories.