re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"

A "new outfit" that at one time is cut open and another time is completely whole.

I think she's made journeys several times (without William). Each time getting a bit farther, then dying a different way (at the hands of the bandits at the farm, in a river, cut open, etc.) We see her remembering these in the present day.

I can agree with this. No way she lasts long after Logan cut her open like that. I think William will find her dead body soon and then finish out what little there seems left in his story before it's revealed that he is the MiB.

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Has it been debated in this thread that Delores is Wyatt?

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It is known.

Whatever. If it does turn out to be 2 time frames then that's shitty story telling all to keep stringing us along then with her being in the same outdid because I know for a fact she gets that outfit while with William and there it is highly unlikely with how we know the park cha ges peoples narratives, that exact same guy she got it from would've been In the same place 30 years later. So even if your right it's still a shite job by the writers

Only problem I have with William= mib is when William and Delores arrived at the church it was underground and we know that's the case now but if it were 30 years ago the church would've been in the same condition it was in the flashbacks. This could be part of Delores delusions but it gives me pause about William=Mib.

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Explain plz?

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DA = HR

Do y'all listen to the Bald Move podcast?

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I believe that after we last saw her in present time, she was set off onto an alternate route where she did all of the exact same things that she happened to do with William. Almost like she was remembering what she did 30 years ago and her mind instructed her to repeat it rather than continue on her normal loop. That idea is quite debatable.

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I'm pretty much in line - almost - I guess I'm roughly at "These violent delights have violent ends" is when wandered off in the now - and she's just had memories and flashbacks of shite that has all happened before.

I've divided the 3 timelines, roughly, as Prototype, Investment and Takeover.

Prototype - pre-opening, when it was the skeleton staff, Arnold, Ford and the hosts. I do agree that it appears that Delores was the mass shooter (and maybe Teddy ) that is referred to as "the incident" - whether that was separate from Arnold's murder, used by Ford to accomplish that, or a consequence of Delores killing Arnold - I believe the street massacre scene flashbacks are of that time.

Investment era - the company that Logan's family owns/runs seems likely to be Delos (or a competing bidder) - at the time Logan was a regular guest and brought future BIL William. This was also when Teresa visited the park as a child - the park had been open for a few years at that point, presumably as a privately held firm either started by or essentially controlled by Ford (after eliminating Arnold). It is possible that Teresa is part of the family of Logan (and by marriage, William). It also seems likely that William returned home and married Logan's sister at the end of the trip.

Takeover: The "now" (so to speak) - MiB is visiting the park while his business associates are moving towards taking over operations/assets and pushing Ford out. The Escaton narrative is familiar to MiB, but Armistice isn't (could be a failsafe put in by Ford, as is the former reception/self-aware host). This is also the time where Delores is having her existential crisis/flashbacks/off the reservation moments, Bernard kills Teresa, Elsie goes missing, Thor's brother, etc.


After the massacre, the town was buried - possibly to cover up/destroy evidence of Arnold's murder, the creation of the maze, other human victims of the incident, etc. The "investment" narrative is clearly the Union Army vs the Confederados - the "takeover" narrative is set, more or less, later in the 1870s or 1880s where the focus is more on law enforcement/bandit conflicts. In both, though, the center of gravity seems to have moved from the buried town with the church to Sweetwater.