re: Westworld Episode 10: The Bicameral Mind. Photos.

While I believe the Maeve character was largely used as a writer's vehicle to explain how the hosts were controlled (instead of muddying the water using Delores for this purpose), I am still unsure about the reason MIB shoots her and her daughter. It is established that the death of her daughter was Maeve's "cornerstone" memory, but there was no reason or story behind MIB shooting them. They appeared to just be living out on the farm and he walks in the house and shoots them without provocation.

Also, because it was MIB that shoots them, this ostensibly takes place in the most resent timeline. After they are shot, Maeve is reassigned and becomes a brothel madam and then builds her current history/memory of being killed and reinserted back into the narrative over and over agai. With her repeated deaths and restarts, she eventually learns what we are shown about the men in suits arriving, her drawings of the WW technicians, her interactions with the two goobers in the lab, etc....

The fact that she was shot by MIB and that she has time to be reassigned and develop all the memory/learning that she does just seems to be some faulty timeline work. I know that Delores likewise has a memory of MIB dragging her into the barn, but her narrative did not involve an entire reassignment into a new character.

Was there more to MIB shooting Maeve and her daughter? I have no doubt that I missed something, but I don't have the time or patience for a re-watch.

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Was there more to MIB shooting Maeve and her daughter? I have no doubt that I missed something, but I don't have the time or patience for a re-watch.

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I think it was just him being his true self. Maybe in his search for the maze.

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new "dream" was to complete Arnold's work which was to give the hosts consciousness. The biggest reveal from the finale was that Ford (and William) were trying to help the hosts. He wanted the hosts to become conscious and didn't give a shite about what the "board" wanted.

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I didn't believe that at all. I think he was just rationalizing it that way to make himself sound better, in the end he just seemed like a petty dick who didn't want anyone else controlling his sandbox.

There were other ways of ending the park and getting people to realize Arnold's dream without murdering tons of people. Arnold wouldn't of wanted it that way, he gave just himself. He knew what it was like to lose family and wouldn't of done that to anyone else.

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It is established that the death of her daughter was Maeve's "cornerstone" memory


was it?

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To the extent that the death of her daughter was the memory she wanted erased because it caused her grief and pain -- similar to Bernard wanting his memory of his son to be gone because of the pain it caused him -- then it is probably one of the safer assumptions that can be made about Maeve's character. But to your point, no I don't have abosolute proof of the same.

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I didn't believe that at all. I think he was just rationalizing it that way to make himself sound better, in the end he just seemed like a petty dick who didn't want anyone else controlling his sandbox.

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Then why would he let them kill him? That doesn't make any sense.

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Then why would he let them kill him? That doesn't make any sense.

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He couldn't have the park either way. He couldn't control it if the robots took over and he couldn't control it if they stayed the same. He went out in control of everything like the crazy old frick he was...

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Don't think he saw it that way. The key to unlocking consciousness was pain and struggle. He saw the conflict as inevitable. He mentioned this with his whole humans don't want to share the planet speech in the last (?) episode. Creating the conflict is the path to both unlocking their consciousness, gaining their freedom, and asserting their dominance. The intention may be for this to spill out into the "real" world.

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I don't think so, Delores was getting there several times and they wiped her. She even was doing it without the Wyatt character in her system.

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Wasn't it said that he did it because he wanted to see if he could commit true evil? He said that he wanted to see if he felt anything. He didn't.

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This is what he said. However, being a man who understands that hosts are nothing but toys, it's illogical to believe he may get some kind of feeling from killing one. He's killed hundreds, maybe even thousands before. Why would this be any different? Because this time the toy was a Barbie and not a GI Joe?

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Why would this be any different?

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Because killing a mother and daughter who are begging for their lives is different than killing a soldier or outlaw. It was a test of his nerves. It's like if you watch a horror movie or something simulated that is still disturbing. Does it not still affect you in some way until eventually, if ever, you become desensitized to it?

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They're toys. They aren't alive. And he understands that as well if not better than anyone.

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So you watch movies and are completely unaffected by them. They're fantasies they aren't real. There is no reason for them to have an effect on you. But wait. Why are you bothering with them in the first place if they have no effect on you?

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It just bothers me and I think this is one of the only pieces of poor writing in the show.

It goes against his character, really. Someone who is tired of playing fantasy and wants something real.

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You are so close to the point, but you are choosing to blame it on bad writing rather than see the obvious point. Yes, he is tired of the fantasy. Yes, he is looking for something real. No, he doesn't find it. He has desensitized himself to the experience. Everything seems fake to him, even the outside world. He put himself in a number of different scenarios to test himself and to test the world around himself. This is called character development.