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re: Westworld Episode 10: The Bicameral Mind. Photos.

Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:36 pm to
She's always been Wyatt.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:36 pm to
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1) the center of the maze payoff was unsatifying for me. It just didn't seem worthy of all hoopla. And maybe it couldn't be. Maybe it's like Lost where there really wasn't going to be a satisfactory answer, but I almost felt a little cheated.



I get what you're saying. They all tried to warn him (The Maze is not for you). He didn't get it until he did at the gala.

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3) there was too much exposition.


Meh - it's 2016 - audiences simply must be hit over the head with some things. This show satisfied that requirement without talking down to the audience too much.

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"someone is coming for me"


How about this? They wanted us to believe it was Teddy. She was probably really thinking of Teddy. BUT, retracing her steps, William was more on the surface of her thinking.

But it was Teddy that moved heaven and earth to get to her and at least attempt a rescue. Turns out it was scripted, but what's the difference at this point?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52284 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:38 pm to
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Anyone else think there is no Wyatt...
for all the shite I just went through even I knew Dolores was always Wyatt
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9089 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:39 pm to
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1) the center of the maze payoff was unsatifying for me. It just didn't seem worthy of all hoopla. And maybe it couldn't be. Maybe it's like Lost where there really wasn't going to be a satisfactory answer, but I almost felt a little cheated.


I thought it was pretty obvious that the maze was the journey to consciousness earlier than episode 9, I even said so in earlier threads. So I did not expect anything else. There was a reason the host kept telling William it was not meant for him.

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2) When Arnold is showing Dolores his son's game and explaining how it helped him figure out that sentience was achieved by completing a maze instead of a pyramid, he asks her point blank if she knows which voice he wants her to hear. Clearly, he wants her to hear how's voice, as that is what finally demonstrates the mind's evolution to consciousness when it begins to hear a person's own inner voice/conscience instead of one the attribute to "God" (the bicameral mind). She clearly says no, she's still confused. He said, that's ok, you're almost there. Then, 2 seconds later he exclaims "you're alive!" or something and soon after has her kill everybody. Well, make up your mind, Arnie. Was she alive or not?


That is not really how it went down. She did not reach consciousness back then 35 years ago. He could not get her to take the final step. He then added Wyatt's story to hers and programmed her to kill everyone and then him. He did this to stop the park from opening and to end her suffering. Because he felt what they were doing to the host was wrong, as he saw life in them, even if he could not get them to the final step of consciousness. In fact Ford's new narrative was to try and finish Arnold's work.

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4) The William to MiB reveal was way too telegraphed, both in the series and in the episode. We'be covered the series, but in this episode, as soon as she said "someone is coming for me" you knew exactly where we were going, but it took way too long to get there. It was like, "alright, you're William, just fricking spit it out already and let's get on with it."


lol well there is probably some regular customers from these threads that still don't believe it.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:40 pm to
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for all the shite I just went through even I knew Dolores was always Wyatt




You were so close to that "Cokes Award for Most Clueless about a TV Show" award, too, then Hugo snakes it out from under you with a single comment.

Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:43 pm to
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Anyone else think there is no Wyatt...or Dolores is Wyatt, the villian in the new narrative


She's always been Wyatt. Arnold and Ford were developing Wyatt to be a villain 30 years ago before the park opened. Arnold melded Wyatt's attributes into her code to try and and free her before he died. We straight up see that happen in this episode.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:45 pm to
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Series executive producer Jonathan Nolan confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter what many other outlets had already assumed. The hit show won’t be back until 2018.


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But we knew for ourselves that going forward, the production is enormously challenging and ambitious, and so is the writing. So we said very early on that we wouldn’t be able to turn this around every year, and knowing full well that that’s been a time-honored tradition in television. But in film, my other life, on the Batman movies, the best we could do is turn another one around in three years. I really feel like we’re splitting the difference here


plenty of time to ruminate...
Posted by txbd
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:56 pm to
So, I understand that Dolores = Wyatt.
My question is: who is this?



Just someone Ford planted in Teddy's memory to be Wyatt?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:56 pm to
So I wasn't wrong. Yay.
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:00 pm to
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Just someone Ford planted in Teddy's memory to be Wyatt?


Yup. Dolores and Teddy were the ones that killed everybody in that town, and when Wyatt "shoots the General" that's an altered memory of Dolores shooting Arnold.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62718 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:12 pm to
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You were so close to that "Cokes Award for Most Clueless about a TV Show" award, too, then Hugo snakes it out from under you with a single comment.




Let's not so casually dismiss purple haze, as he has tripled down on that extra soldier being Arnold/Bernard.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:17 pm to
You can't prove I'm wrong.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52284 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:29 pm to
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You can't prove I'm wrong.
I can. I have eyes.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23224 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:31 pm to
Ford explained last night that Arnold had merged the traits of a proposed character - Wyatt - with Delores. Teddy was programmed to remember her actions as Wyatt. The British script guy who wants to replace Ford was seen working on a Wyatt model in the present timeline, but he was never actually used.

Before they all went nuts last night, Delores spoke the quote that Teddy had always attributed to Wyatt. So Ford never really intended to introduce Wyatt.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15964 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:28 pm to
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You can't prove I'm wrong.



Take a look at the beard underneath the bottom lip
One outlines the soul patch, the other does not
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19470 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:44 pm to
There is lots of member berries in West World.

I think that is what has so many people confused.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95665 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:15 pm to
Yeah, I member.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10484 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:19 pm to
I'm not going to lie, I love syfy movies and tv yet I have no clue what the hell just happened.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23224 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:31 pm to
We can put those "Ford might be alive" ideas to rest. Also, the show won't return before 2018. LINK
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32657 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:34 pm to
So...

Where does this show go when it comes back?
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