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Watched Moneyball for the first time on a flight home last night.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:19 pm
Really enjoyed the film. Baseball was never my sport to follow so i had no idea if there was any truth to the film IRL. Not a big Jonah Hill fan but really liked him in this.
Almost didn't want the flight to end before the movie finished. Could easily put it in my top 5 baseball films. Brad seemed like he was having a good time making it.
What do you guys think about about it as far as a sports film goes and where would you rank it in "baseball films"?
Almost didn't want the flight to end before the movie finished. Could easily put it in my top 5 baseball films. Brad seemed like he was having a good time making it.
What do you guys think about about it as far as a sports film goes and where would you rank it in "baseball films"?
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:25 pm to SEClint
Love it. One of those movies that I watch any time I run across it on the guide.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:26 pm to SEClint
Its a really good baseball movie and film in general.
As with anything some events were fictionalized or timelines were run together. DePodesta, the person Hill's character is based on, was with the team a couple of years before the events of the movie, he didn't just join all of a sudden (although he did come from another franchise).
There's some other stuff dramatized too.
People had been using advanced analytics in baseball for a long time and teams had been incorporating it for years so it wasn't just totally out of the box thinking, as the movie portrays. Beane did take it to more of an extreme earlier than others though is my understanding
As with anything some events were fictionalized or timelines were run together. DePodesta, the person Hill's character is based on, was with the team a couple of years before the events of the movie, he didn't just join all of a sudden (although he did come from another franchise).
There's some other stuff dramatized too.
People had been using advanced analytics in baseball for a long time and teams had been incorporating it for years so it wasn't just totally out of the box thinking, as the movie portrays. Beane did take it to more of an extreme earlier than others though is my understanding
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:28 pm to SEClint
Strong performances across the board and does a good job highlighting how much blow back there was to the approach at that time
Doesnt really do a great job at explaining what they were doing but does a good job at getting across the general idea in a digestable way even for people who dont follow the sport
Doesnt really do a great job at explaining what they were doing but does a good job at getting across the general idea in a digestable way even for people who dont follow the sport
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:30 pm to Fun Bunch
It was never taken to that degree. Bill James and his approach was something understood, but people never really built teams and strategy around it to the level that they did
They also gloss over that they had a really good rotation and had a good left side of the infield in Chavez and Tejada
They also gloss over that they had a really good rotation and had a good left side of the infield in Chavez and Tejada
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:37 pm to SEClint
It flows so well.
Pitt just crushing it
So many good supporting roles in the movie
Pitt just crushing it
So many good supporting roles in the movie
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:46 pm to Lawyered
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It flows so well.
Yeah but I could do without the daughter. I get why she's there but I could do without it.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:07 pm to saintsfan22
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Yeah but I could do without the daughter. I get why she's there but I could do without it.
Yeah, but they needed to humanize Beane and show his family side to make you care about the character.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:16 pm to SEClint
Good movie. I rewatched not long ago. Another great PSH role.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:17 pm to SEClint
I really enjoyed the movie. It's one of those that I'll watch again whenever I see it's on again.
On a side note, I was actually at one of the A's games that year. Didn't realize it until after watching the movie, but that year my wife and I had gone on vacation in Napa and stayed a few days afterward with my brother who lives in the bay area. He got suite tickets to a game from a doctor friend and took us to one of the games. It was early in the year before they went on their winning streak, but we were definitely at a game during that historic year.
On a side note, I was actually at one of the A's games that year. Didn't realize it until after watching the movie, but that year my wife and I had gone on vacation in Napa and stayed a few days afterward with my brother who lives in the bay area. He got suite tickets to a game from a doctor friend and took us to one of the games. It was early in the year before they went on their winning streak, but we were definitely at a game during that historic year.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:39 pm to WestCoastAg
When I covered Ranger games, in the mid 80's, Bill James regularly came up to the electronic media press box, and sat thru games with us. Because I had a full-time job selling print advertising, I never found time or really had the inclination to read any of his books.
The Rangers employed a guy named Craig Wright, who was also a sabermetrician. He wrote a book in 1989, with Rangers one time pitching coach Tom House, called The Diamond Appraised. Since his retirement as an MLB pitching coach, House has worked with Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, Jimmy Garoppolo, Carson Wentz and many more NFL, NCAA and high school QB's. I the 80's he was the Rangers weird pitching coach who had his pitchers throwing footballs before games.
When I first started covering games, one of the big stats we had to keep up with was the "Game-winning RBI. Both James and Wright thought it was a stupid stat to keep up with. In 1988, MLB quit keeping up with it, and so did we.
I wish I had just gone to a game without working it, and listened to more of what they had to say. I didn't have time, because I had offensive stats and pitching stats to keep up with, plus I was calling in to report every run scored, every pitching change, and what the score was at the end of each half inning.I had a regular box like any baseball scorer would have, plus a whole 8&1/2 X 11 page of stats.
One of my favorite writers up there covered the games for some papers in Oklahoma. He was a really cool guy, who invited me to come hang out a few times. He was probably 10 years older than me. Even though I liked the guy, and enjoyed his company, I just never thought I'd enjoy hanging out at his house. Years later, when Stevie Ray Vaughn died, the baseball writer from OK was one of the people Dallas TV stations interviewed about Stevie's death. They were good friends. My young, dumb arse, thought I was too cool to hang out with that old dude and his friends.
The Rangers employed a guy named Craig Wright, who was also a sabermetrician. He wrote a book in 1989, with Rangers one time pitching coach Tom House, called The Diamond Appraised. Since his retirement as an MLB pitching coach, House has worked with Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, Jimmy Garoppolo, Carson Wentz and many more NFL, NCAA and high school QB's. I the 80's he was the Rangers weird pitching coach who had his pitchers throwing footballs before games.
When I first started covering games, one of the big stats we had to keep up with was the "Game-winning RBI. Both James and Wright thought it was a stupid stat to keep up with. In 1988, MLB quit keeping up with it, and so did we.
I wish I had just gone to a game without working it, and listened to more of what they had to say. I didn't have time, because I had offensive stats and pitching stats to keep up with, plus I was calling in to report every run scored, every pitching change, and what the score was at the end of each half inning.I had a regular box like any baseball scorer would have, plus a whole 8&1/2 X 11 page of stats.
One of my favorite writers up there covered the games for some papers in Oklahoma. He was a really cool guy, who invited me to come hang out a few times. He was probably 10 years older than me. Even though I liked the guy, and enjoyed his company, I just never thought I'd enjoy hanging out at his house. Years later, when Stevie Ray Vaughn died, the baseball writer from OK was one of the people Dallas TV stations interviewed about Stevie's death. They were good friends. My young, dumb arse, thought I was too cool to hang out with that old dude and his friends.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:42 pm to SEClint
It's a good movie, but man that book falls apart the minute you understand anything about history. They won that year because of pitching.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:21 pm to SEClint
The best part of the book to me was Billy Beane during the trade deadline. It was fascinating to see him insert himself into trades and flip practically nothing for something. I wish that the movie spent more time during that period. They sort of combined his earlier season trade of Jeremy Giambi and the deadline but never really captured his skill at manipulating GM's.
I agree that the season story was a mistake. Him overhauling the franchise was interesting but using that season as a backdrop to affirm his new approach was misleading. Hudson, Zito and Mulder were what worked that season. Those 3 went 57-21. They were all products of the older way of scouting under the previous GM if I'm not mistaken.
I agree that the season story was a mistake. Him overhauling the franchise was interesting but using that season as a backdrop to affirm his new approach was misleading. Hudson, Zito and Mulder were what worked that season. Those 3 went 57-21. They were all products of the older way of scouting under the previous GM if I'm not mistaken.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:26 pm to Jcorye1
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It's a good movie, but man that book falls apart the minute you understand anything about history. They won that year because of pitching.
That doesn’t really make the book fall apart. They were above league average offensively.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:53 pm to Jcorye1
They made Art Howe look like an idiot.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:09 pm to Cleathecat
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They made Art Howe look like an idiot.
and an a-hole
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:29 pm to WestCoastAg
I remember the one scout saying the player was bad because his girlfriend was a 6. 
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:38 pm to SEClint
One of my favorite baseball movies. 
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:53 pm to Jcorye1
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