re: The Walking Dead - Where do I find the strength?

Loved season 1, and season 2 was pretty good. Season 3 started out ok but it quickly dissolved my interest. Characters were just unbelievably stupid and it just wasn't for me anymore. Season 3 finale was the last episode I watched.

I think for me it was like another poster in this thread stated, the original group of survivors were interesting and I wanted to see what happened to them, but the show just drug on and on and kept adding more and more characters, more storylines, more more more. It just felt like the show was going nowhere, and I couldn't keep interest with so many characters dying and more new characters getting introduced. Just wasn't interesting enough.

Interesting concept for sure in the beginning, but overall, it was nothing more than a very average/mediocre series with high production value.

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Even at that point it had become repetitive. Find location to be secure in for a season, everything goes to hell at the end, find new place, repeat.

And honest to God I couldn't stand to hear one more version of "I don't want to just be alive, I want to live!"

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Constantly adding kids & new-borns were another major annoyance. They were always a nuisance, from Carol's kid to Judith to even, Coral aka Carl, who regularly did dumb shite. I never cared about them and wished they were zombie appetizers. And what idiot would bring a newborn into this world anyway?

I quit when they stayed advertising Rick's final episodes.

First 3 seasons were good tv.

I was shocked the baby didn't die like the comics. That was a gruesome panel.
Instead the kid lives but her dad leaves her?

It's been posted before, but the creator of the comics has admitted to a perfect ending, but once the money started coming in he abandoned it.

After Rick beats the last big bad like Negan or Alpha, and all the communities are thriving, they show everyone relatively happy. Fade out.

Fade in a few years later, and all the communities are destroyed ruins. The end.

that would have fit very well with the story telling up to that point

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Crazy that the show was beating football games at one point.

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I remember watching the very, very first episode live when it aired. It is a really, really good piece of TV.

Another major problem with a zombie show/story like this is the math of it - would there still be large amounts of zombies left?

Say 50k people were still alive in the US. If those people averaged killing 2 zombies per day for the 8 or so years the show has been on, that's 292M dead zombies.

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worst decision (among many) the show has made was killing Carl. However you may feel about the actor, it resulted in too many called audibles to fill plot holes from the books.

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No way, Coral was the fricking worst and I was hyped to see him bite it.

IMO the show's problem was related to something someone mentioned above: It wasn't a planned out story with a defined start and end. Once it was popular, they just wanted to ride the gravy train for as long as possible, and the easiest way to keep it going is just to rehash the same plot points over and over. The stakes don't even really matter when you know as soon as the group defeats/gets past this obstacle/group of bad people they'll just be another even bigger and badder group next season. Hell, had they even planned on a long show arc...say ten years or so...they still could've written concise stories and made it work toward a conclusion.

Also, I agree that the Negan killing scene was the turning point for most people. I know it was for me. They just played it so poorly with cliffhanging who he killed only to have it come back and he kills Abraham and then Glenn too. IIRC, up to that point the show had done a good job with cliffhangers that were actually good. And it was a total disservice to the Glenn character to basically be a secondary kill at the beginning of a season (or half-season). Had they shown Abe getting knocked off people would've been like holy shite, and then coming back with Glenn getting capped people would've lost their collective minds. But instead the killing of Glenn, who whether you liked him or not he was one of the biggest characters on the show and gave it most of its heart, was a passing thing done purely to add onto the current shock value.

Long story short, the show got lazy. At some point they very clearly were only focused on the season openers and season finales. Literally everything else in between was filler bullshite that nobody cared about. And add to that the addition of tons of new characters that were VERY hard to pull for, and you have a recipe for pushing people away to not watching anymore.

I think the last thing I saw was several episodes after Rick died (or "died"). Once they started pushing Judith as some badass killer five year old handling a fricking .357 Magnum like a toy I started to check out. And while woke shite or gay people don't bother me, it started to feel like the show REALLY started to lean heavily into making sure that every character was an unbelievable badass woman and every other character was gay. It just felt like it came out of nowhere and felt really out of place and ultra forced. Once it got to where it felt like a chore to keep watching, I finally checked out. I guess since it's ending I may go back and give it another shot to try to finish it at some point. But there's definitely no rush.

But for a while, this was one of the best shows on television in a time where TV shows were having an incredible run. It could've gone down as one of the GOATs had they had a better plan for it and executed it properly.

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that is just suspended disbelief. If you allow that there are zombies at all, you allow that they will be a constant danger and impediment to survival. Also, at the end of the books the zombies are more or less neutered as an existential threat

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That's kind of what I was getting at. At this point they should be a non threat but just a consequence of keeping the show rolling this long

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This can be copied and pasted into a Lost thread as well

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Nah, I think Lost at least had ways to end it in mind when it started. Sure, the show went off the rails a time or two, but it was still compelling TV and it drew you in with its rich characters and stories. TWD just seems to amble on and on with no real purpose other than to exist and keep going....sort of like a zombie. So maybe the showrunners are geniuses after all.

Just kidding. Very few people in the world love the smell of their own farts as much as Scott fricking Gimple.