re: The Rings of Power Season 2 - first 3 episodes release August 29th, 2:00 AM Central

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Rings of Power- “hey Acolyte, hold my beer.”

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Hahahaha gold Jerry, Gold

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The first one is the article I had actually read. Written by an obvious crazy person that goes in directo opposition of the "the writers view orcs as black people" stance. It's a crazy person literally commending them for making a show where the Orcs DON"T represent black people. Because to them that was something racist Tolkien and PJ did. That article should be dismissed on all accounts and clearly doesn't have anything to do with the writers or anyone involved int he show. It's an article catering to those who just want to be victimized in some way.

The second article at least has some actors quoted.

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That darkness is represented not only by Sauron’s whisperings in Celebrimbor’s ears, but also by Adar, a fallen Elf who opens the season by murdering Sauron in a flashback, and calls himself a father to the Orcs of a newly-created Mordor. The show follows in Tolkien’s conflicted footsteps of trying to make the Orcs redeemable, human even, and in the opening episodes we see them talk of settling down, creating a home, and even an Orc family complete with newborn baby Orc swaddled in grimy rags.

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“Adar definitely believes that Orcs aren't kind of these irredeemable monsters,” explains Sam Hazeldine, who has taken over the role of Adar from Joseph Mawle this season. “He believes that they are sentient beings and that they don't deserve to be used as cannon fodder and just treated like dirt.

“He wants them to be protected. And so he is their father and it feels duty bound to protect them and to find a place for them or create a place for them in Mordor that is a home and a safe place for them, which isn't that much to ask really.”

The idea of redemption for Orcs is a Tolkien deep cut, something he wrestled with in notes and letters but never managed to realise on the published page during his lifetime. The actors in The Rings of Power understand implicitly that they’re basing their roles – whether those written by Tolkien or created for the show – on a wealth of canon, and they’re sure to keep their performances grounded in that work.

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So to pretend this is something Tolkien is kind of ridiculous on the person who wrote this. Tolkien grappling with something in a letter to Christopher is not lore. Certainly not canon.

I agree, having Orcs struggle with good and bad is kind of ridiculous. Though I don't think them wanting a home is really that big of a stretch or that big of a deal. Having Sauron have an internal good or bad struggle is much more offensive, but that's another debate. But that being said, the Adar guy views himself as the Orcs father and they view him the same way. He is clearly a white guy. So the show is supposed to have black Orcs viewing a white guy as their father? No. That's not happening.

The Orcs are just Orcs, they're not representing black people. And they're certainly not black people calling a white guy father. They are having an internal struggle obviously and want to settle in a home (haven't seen the episode but that's what they're saying) and that is pretty off base for what we know from Orcs. Just another thing the showrunners got wrong. But that doesn't mean in any way they are trying to have a home so it's more relatable for black people. That is a huge stretch. And none of those articles confirm that. It confirms certain things they are doing are ridiculous, but we already knew that.

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Faramir never ever considers bringing the Ring back to Gondor, in fact he immediately realizes how bad that would be.

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I prefer book Faramir, not sure if i'm in the minority

I've watched all 3 season 2 episodes. I went into it knowing that I would hold my nose and try to enjoy it without regard to any agenda. And even doing that it - even just sticking to the story and the plot - it just kept getting dumber.

The main plot logic must have been made by high schoolers who haven't sharpened their reasoning skills yet. I'll give one example: Elrond wants to destroy the rings because they might be part of a ploy by Sauron to take over middle earth.

If he destroys the rings, the elves will 100% have to leave middle earth (because their 'lifeforce' is dying), and Sauron will thereafter 100% take over middle earth. So: destroy rings = elves leave, middle earth destroyed, with 100% certainty.

But if he doesn't destroy the rings, Sauron might be able to use them to destroy middle earth and cause the elves to leave it. Might.

So Elrond, an elf of high stature with piercing intellect, chooses the path that 100% ends in elves leaving and middle earth destroyed, rather than the path where those two obviously undesirable results are less than 100% certain.

Nonsensical reasoning and motivation plagues almost all plots in this series. If it at least made sense, they could escape half the criticism it gets.

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I'll give one example: Elrond wants to destroy the rings because they might be part of a ploy by Sauron to take over middle earth.

If he destroys the rings, the elves will 100% have to leave middle earth (because their 'lifeforce' is dying), and Sauron will thereafter 100% take over middle earth. So: destroy rings = elves leave, middle earth destroyed, with 100% certainty.

But if he doesn't destroy the rings, Sauron might be able to use them to destroy middle earth and cause the elves to leave it. Might.

So Elrond, an elf of high stature with piercing intellect, chooses the path that 100% ends in elves leaving and middle earth destroyed, rather than the path where those two obviously undesirable results are less than 100% certain.

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Logic is racist

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can you expound upon Madking's statement that they turned the Orcs into loving family men that didn't want to go to war?

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Nah, y'all go ahead and knock yourselves out with that. Sounds fascinating.

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False

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In the Silmarillion, Tolkien states “for the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar.” In addition, Aragorn speculates that Saruman has cross-bred the races of Men and Orcs.

Lol when your hatred for the the show going against Tolkien's lore leads you to disrespecting Tolkien's lore yourself it's too perfect.

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I'll give one example: Elrond wants to destroy the rings because they might be part of a ploy by Sauron to take over middle earth.

If he destroys the rings, the elves will 100% have to leave middle earth (because their 'lifeforce' is dying), and Sauron will thereafter 100% take over middle earth. So: destroy rings = elves leave, middle earth destroyed, with 100% certainty.

But if he doesn't destroy the rings, Sauron might be able to use them to destroy middle earth and cause the elves to leave it. Might.

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That's a good point, but the way I read into it:

Elrond is focusing on the Elves, not Middle Earth as a whole. The show makes a point of Sauron wanting to unite everyone under his rule, INCLUDING the Elves. Elrond fears the Rings will lead to the Elves subjugating themselves under Sauron.

If they abandon and destroy the Rings, they can, and will, leave Middle Earth and return to the uttermost West. Which is what the Valar want them to do, and is what the Elves ultimately do anyway in the end of this story.
He doesn't really care about Men, Dwarves, Middle Earth etc.
His concern about the Rings is that they will trap the Elves in Middle Earth, under the dominion of Sauron.