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I enjoy the world building and introduction to everything so far but since we know they are planning 5 seasons would like to slow it down. Seems they are moving the main plot along very fast without developing characters and their story arc.

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I dint Think we’re as close to anything major happening as you think we are.

Isildur is a cadet.
The Forge to make the rings isn’t even built yet.
Galadriel and Halbrand are out on an Island so Even if that is Sauron he’s no where close to forging at rings.

And Nori/Meteor Man and Aradin’s plots are new creations so no telling where they go and how long they’ll take.

If any rings are forged by the end of this season I would Be surprised

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dint Think we’re as close to anything major happening as you think we are.

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I doubt they are either and think we may go through the whole first season without a major event and rushing through the backstory without solid character development.

I think most fans of Tolkien's favorite part is the character depth building the books create. You feel connected to their story arc as if you know them as you follow the story. That is lacking right now for me. Outside of Galadriel whose story so far is bland to me. I could be biased there because I know what she becomes and right now I do not even see that path.

Arondir I like the most but still yet to really develop. I get excited every time they show his arc because something new is introduced like the boy with the sword, the orcs, and now Adar. Even though the female versions of Frodo and Sam do not excite me I like the tribe elder and curious as to the stranger and his role moving forward. The dwarves not much there yet and the Númenor arc could be great but overall the show seems very clunky to me and hard to get into. Very predictable to in a bad way for what is happening next

It seems their goal is to push the Galadriel narrative but to me they are failing on that point. Again that is just my opinion and nothing to do with the lore. They could really make a great story for her but I have yet to see it. I am starting to read write ups about the show and mostly positive except for her character and the writing for it.

But will keep watching and enjoying certain parts with hope.

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What time period in the second age is this? I could be wrong but didn't the first age end when Morgoth was defeated and the second age was ended when Sauron was defeated? So if Sauron is beginning to show, is this close to the end of the second age or did Sauron exist in second age a long time?

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Sauron existed before the first age and was the top commander for Morgoth in the FA prior to his defeat. Sauron reappears in the SA around 1000 IIRC.

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Is this the Isildur from the Sauron battle?

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Yes

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I think we have a couple more episodes of world-building to go here.

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I enjoy the world building and introduction to everything so far but since we know they are planning 5 seasons would like to slow it down. Seems they are moving the main plot along very fast without developing characters and their story arc.

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Maybe we will be surprised that what seems to be rushed backstory will allow for a more richer story moving forward. I hope so.

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What I think they are doing, is they are using Elrond and Galadriel to introduce us to various settings/places.

Both- Lindon, where Gil Galad is. This is where the Gray Havens are, we get that in LOTR, but we aren't informed that is the actual Elven capital. But yeah, it's the realm that most of the Elves relocated to, after the fall of Beleriand at the end of the First Age.

Galadriel- used her to show the far North, and Numenor. Will certainly use her to show Lothlorien (because- duh).
If you track the book-stated locations Galadriel has lived, I can begin to see where the connection to Numenor (and Elendil) comes in.

Elrond- Eregion, and Khazad Dum.
There are several more realms to show, I think they put those on the map, before diving into the main story.
The Dwarves and the (as yet unseen) Silvan Elves have some bad history, but both seem to respect Elrond (we see they do in the movies). I think Elrond is the unifying force in this, hence his diplomatic appearance.

It's worth remembering in the movies, everyone comes to Elrond for advice and council. Nobody LOOKS for Galadriel, they just stumble upon her. So Elrond should be visible, working the channels... Galadriel is more out on her own. I think we get the Silvan Elves via their Dwarvish connection, and Elrond smooths things over, at least to avoid open conflict.
That might be the 'hammer and stone' conflict the Dwarves spoke of. If everyone assumes Morgoth is gone and Sauron is MIA, the Dwarves might be preparing to drop the hammer on the Silvan Elves.

He lost his physical form when Isildur cut the ring from his finger.

3000 years later Gollum fell into the lava & destroyed the ring.

Thus ending Sauron forever.

Gotcha.

So in the entirety of the second age, he had a physical form and was in the shadows/hiding?

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Numenor looks a lot like Gondor. Are they related?

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Somewhat

Two kingdoms – Gondor and Arnor were built later by Númenoreans.

I do not want to explain to much more or it might spoil future events in the show.

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So Sauron still existed in physical form even after the Morgoth fight? He didn't do the return to power like in LOTR?

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Until the end of the LOTR he lived and for the most part was able to generate into a physical form in all 3 ages. He was a shape shifter and at one time was even a werewolf. Even after getting the ring cut off he came back once again in physical form.

It took him longer to regain enough power to do it as he had dedicated so much of his to power to the One Ring. But according to examples from the readings he regained the ability to have a physical form in the TA after the loss of the ring but not with full power.

The movies made it seemed he could not but to many lines of text seem to support he can. Even in the Hobbit he is the Necromancer that people had seen in physical form but lacked the power we saw in that movie to possess physical form and control his magic.

I will also add to this that the Nazgul could only come back in physical form if Sauron could. As their power came from him as he created their rings. The Nazgul were in physical form in the TA up until the end.

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Reddit(well, some of it) is your friend for insights without all the chud bullshite(or me arguing them)
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"Why is there a statue in the jail?" Elven statues and architecture in Numenor: an example of visual storytelling
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Map of all locations in ROP so far
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Lore Compatibility Index Episodes 1 and 2
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And a good reminder we've been down this road with fans before...


Ian McKellen Response to Fans Angry about Peter Jackson's alterations to LOTR
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A look back on how fans in 2001 criticized PJ's LoTR movie before it was released
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Episode 3 Lore Comparison

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I think we need several threads on this show:

a "Hodor" type, that discusses JUST the show itself.

A "book" type, where knowledgeable readers can discuss the show as it relates to the lore we know.

Right now, as someone who is reasonably familiar with Tolkien's mythos, there's a shite-TON of things I THINK is shaping up... that hasn't actually been addressed directly. Who and what else will appear, when, where, and why. And so forth.

I know from watching GoT, I avoided that info because it only confused, and at times spoiled me.

There's been a couple folks posting who are clearly unfamiliar with the First or Second Age stuff, and I don't want to spoil anything. But I'd love to talk about it with folks who DO know the overall tale.

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That's probably a good idea. Lore nerds can have a Merry thread and non-book lore nerds can have a Pippin thread. And those that just want to fight back and forth can have a Gollumn/Smeagol thread.