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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Episode 3 Thread | Amazon | Available Now
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:56 am to dgnx6
Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:56 am to dgnx6
These review threads on this series are hard to go through……
Anyway, it started slow with episode one but has steadily picked up steam. I tried reading the source material once and found it to be too encyclopedic and boring. The only thing I haven’t enjoyed so far in the series is the cartoonish nature of the Harfoots. Everything else has been well done.
Anyway, it started slow with episode one but has steadily picked up steam. I tried reading the source material once and found it to be too encyclopedic and boring. The only thing I haven’t enjoyed so far in the series is the cartoonish nature of the Harfoots. Everything else has been well done.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 6:57 am to Obtuse1
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Miriel seems to be Queen Regent in her father's stead while he is in the tower for being a Faithful which I think Miriel will turn out to be as well. Miriel should have been the 4th Queen upon her father's death (she was his only child) but Pharazon married her against her will and took the scepter himself, screwed up everything letting the White Tree die, and was the last king of Numenor.
Depending oh how they go with this story arc it could be interesting, especially the Sauron backstory.
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Does anyone think Halbrand being a smith leads to the Sauron theory?
In the condensed timeline they are traveling down I do not think it is because it would eliminate a good part of Sauron's story in the future and so far his story seems to be in tact, for the most part, and I think it will stay on course.
Have not thought about the Witch King and that would be cool.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:03 am to TigerNutwhack
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The whole "this symbol is a map" reveal was dumb
I found a right up and it me laugh in regards to this part.
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This leads to other awkward moments. In Episode 3, Galadriel and Elendil travel to the Hall of Law, an ancient Númenorean library, where they discover that Sauron’s mark is actually a map of the Southlands. There’s an old document they handily discover almost instantly that has a map and some writing in the ‘black speech’ of the Enemy. Galadriel reads it:
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“It speaks not only of a place, but a plan: A plan by which to create a realm of their own where evil will not only endure but thrive, a plan to be enacted in the event of Morgoth’s defeat . . . by his successor.”
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“What’s your diabolical plan, Lord Sauron? Should Morgoth be defeated, that is?”
“We will create a realm!”
“An evil realm?”
“Yes! A very evil realm!”
“Where all of our evil wickedness can endure?”
“Not just endure you fool! It will be a realm where evil will thrive! Bwahahahaha!”
“Oh I love it, Sauron! So diabolical! So despicable!”
“Yes yes, I hope you were writing all that down, scrub. No? Well get to it! There should be an evil quill and a jar of blood-ink somewhere. We need to send this to all our evil friends so they, too, shall know the plan! And be sure to draw a map. In fact, we’ll draw lots of maps so that the elves will find clues to the whereabouts of our new realm of evil!”
“Elves, m’lord?”
“Yes, what good is a diabolical plot and a realm of pure evil if we don’t lure the heroes to us? How can we monologue properly and regale them with all our evil scheming if they can’t find us?” “Brilliant! Morgoth couldn’t have said it better, oh dark and evil one!”
And the whole “in the event of Morgoth’s defeat” bit just sounds ridiculous. Morgoth was one of the most powerful beings in existence. I don’t think anyone was making contingency plans to create a realm of evil if the dark god was slain. All of this just seems to give very human, mortal motivations and logic to beings that are operating on a whole different level. And why not create this realm of pure evil whether or not Morgoth is defeated? Why is this even set up like some contingency plan?
Found it amusing and I guess I did not pay attention to it at the time
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:07 am to TigerNutwhack
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I thought I would hate the harfoots, and I definitely still think the show doesn't need them,
Their leader intrigues me as I think he is hiding knowledge of events that we will need later down the road.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:08 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:15 am to Aubie Spr96
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These review threads on this series are hard to go through…
Very. I’m not as versed in the Tolkien world, I’ve only seen the 6 movies. I like the show so far, but trying to get a little knowledge or background from the ones that know more and it’s just Bronc arguing with people.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:47 am to dgnx6
Reddit(well, some of it) is your friend for insights without all the chud bullshite(or me arguing them)
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"Why is there a statue in the jail?" Elven statues and architecture in Numenor: an example of visual storytelling
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Map of all locations in ROP so far
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Lore Compatibility Index Episodes 1 and 2
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And a good reminder we've been down this road with fans before...
Ian McKellen Response to Fans Angry about Peter Jackson's alterations to LOTR
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A look back on how fans in 2001 criticized PJ's LoTR movie before it was released
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"Why is there a statue in the jail?" Elven statues and architecture in Numenor: an example of visual storytelling
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Map of all locations in ROP so far
LINK
Lore Compatibility Index Episodes 1 and 2
LINK
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And a good reminder we've been down this road with fans before...
Ian McKellen Response to Fans Angry about Peter Jackson's alterations to LOTR
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A look back on how fans in 2001 criticized PJ's LoTR movie before it was released
LINK
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 7:59 am to TideWarrior
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That is what I am afraid of. Hopefully they will slow things down.
You should realize that we are 3 episodes into an 8 episode season and the plot has barely moved
Season 1 of this show appears to be providing world building and laying the groundwork for future seasons. Not to mention though that the time period between now and when Sauron is defeated at the end of the Second Age is still hundreds of years away, although who knows with Amazon's interpretation.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:18 am to dgnx6
I believe this series is based off the Silmarillion. I tried reading it once, but had to give up. I know a ton of people love it, but it was too encyclopedic for me.
There's a lot of argument in this threads and very little substance about the show itself.
There's a lot of argument in this threads and very little substance about the show itself.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:39 am to Aubie Spr96
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I believe this series is based off the Silmarillion.
Actually Amazon has stated it is not and legally they can not use it as a reference.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:40 am to BulldogXero
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You should realize that we are 3 episodes into an 8 episode season and the plot has barely moved
My reference in regards to slowing down is based on the lore time line. As you mentioned 3 episodes in but they have already covered 2000+ years of the lore.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 8:45 am to Aubie Spr96
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I believe this series is based off the Silmarillion. I tried reading it once, but had to give up. I know a ton of people love it, but it was too encyclopedic for me.
There's a lot of argument in this threads and very little substance about the show itself.
Its based off the appendices of LOTR.
Which is roughly 100-140ish pages depending on which version of the book you have.
If I understand correctly, there is a bit a room for things if approved by the Tolkien Estate. Same goes for major changes. As an example the timeline compression, which was okayed by the estate, something there has been some hand wringing over.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:01 am to Aubie Spr96
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I believe this series is based off the Silmarillion.
From Amazon directly:
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So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”
And they only have access to the books not the movies which are owned by Warner Brothers.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:04 am to TideWarrior
What I do find funny is this statement from that article.
If guess recreating characters into a new a timeline is not time jumping.
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“We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age,” Payne says. The duo cites songs like “The Fall of Gil-galad” or “The Song of Eärendil” or Fellowship chapters like “The Council of Elrond” and “The Shadow of the Past” or the “Concerning Hobbits” section of the prologue as sources for significant lore dumps. Beyond the premiere, there aren’t, however, any significant time jumps or, thus far, episode-long journeys to the past. The rights to the First Age material from The Silmarillion are still owned by the Tolkien estate.
If guess recreating characters into a new a timeline is not time jumping.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:10 am to TideWarrior
I mean I dont know how much more you can bitch about this? We are going on two days now.
They compressed timelines to make things flow more cohesively, if this is a dealbreaker for you and your ability to not be miserable watching the show, why not just find something else to watch?
I truly dont understand this why so many people on this site continue consuming and obsessing over things that clearly make them miserable.
They compressed timelines to make things flow more cohesively, if this is a dealbreaker for you and your ability to not be miserable watching the show, why not just find something else to watch?
I truly dont understand this why so many people on this site continue consuming and obsessing over things that clearly make them miserable.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:14 am to Bronc
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I mean I dont know how much more you can bitch about this? We are going on two days now.
Are you just wanting to fight people online tough guy. I am being facetious in regards to the timeline at this point. Give the frick up and get off your high horse.
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I truly dont understand this why
Same I do not understand why someone makes it their mission to police others and constantly seeks confrontation.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:21 am to TideWarrior
Im not trying to fight anyone buddy, feels like some projection since you just followed me to the HOTD thread to fight in there too. I simply just cant understand why people go out of there way to keep obsessing over shite that clearly makes them miserable?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:27 am to Bronc
I do not understand people like you who continue to make assumptions about others as if they are all knowing. I understand there are a few in this thread that make their feelings obvious but I am no way miserable about a show. A little disappointed maybe because Amazon had the chance to make something great but I am still hopeful they can tie it all off and bring it home. If I did not believe that I would watch the show any longer nor waste my time.
In regards to following you into another thread you may want to check yourself there because I was already in that thread posting regarding that show before your comment calling out others from this thread that I responding to.
In regards to following you into another thread you may want to check yourself there because I was already in that thread posting regarding that show before your comment calling out others from this thread that I responding to.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:36 am to TideWarrior
I think we have a couple more episodes of world-building to go here.
Galadriel has announced she is Noldor, which is significant. To me, it means that they will differentiate between the Noldor and the other Elves. That means we have yet to see the others; there should be a Woodland Realm of Silvan Elves, that eventually will be ruled by Thranduil.
There should be another, separate realm, ruled by Celeborn.
I don't think they condense those to one realm, as they both have parts to play in the later (LOTR, Hobbit) stories.
Galadriel also announced she is of the house of Finarfin, which sets up the conflict within the Noldor- that side vs the house of Feanor (now led by Celebrimbor).
I think Galadriel has been chosen as "tour guide to Middle Earth", and we won't see her in Lindon again. She likely returns and goes to meet up with Celeborn (giving us a look at that realm), and from there out she stays basically where we expected her to be.
It would seem they chose her to show off the different realms, and also show us how she became separated from Lindon (Gil Galad) and Elrond (who later goes to Rivendell). I know people grump about the how and what of this, but I suppose it was important to show WHY she is separate.
Galadriel has announced she is Noldor, which is significant. To me, it means that they will differentiate between the Noldor and the other Elves. That means we have yet to see the others; there should be a Woodland Realm of Silvan Elves, that eventually will be ruled by Thranduil.
There should be another, separate realm, ruled by Celeborn.
I don't think they condense those to one realm, as they both have parts to play in the later (LOTR, Hobbit) stories.
Galadriel also announced she is of the house of Finarfin, which sets up the conflict within the Noldor- that side vs the house of Feanor (now led by Celebrimbor).
I think Galadriel has been chosen as "tour guide to Middle Earth", and we won't see her in Lindon again. She likely returns and goes to meet up with Celeborn (giving us a look at that realm), and from there out she stays basically where we expected her to be.
It would seem they chose her to show off the different realms, and also show us how she became separated from Lindon (Gil Galad) and Elrond (who later goes to Rivendell). I know people grump about the how and what of this, but I suppose it was important to show WHY she is separate.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:37 am to TideWarrior
The only assumption I have made about you is observational, which is that based on your constant hand wringing over the timeline compression, you come off rather miserable.
If you claim you like the show so be it, and if you want to keep beating the timeline compression to death, I have no power over you. I just stated I don't understand obsessing so much over things that are seemingly making you miserable.
If you claim you like the show so be it, and if you want to keep beating the timeline compression to death, I have no power over you. I just stated I don't understand obsessing so much over things that are seemingly making you miserable.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 9:42 am to Scoob
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I think we have a couple more episodes of world-building to go here.
I enjoy the world building and introduction to everything so far but since we know they are planning 5 seasons would like to slow it down. Seems they are moving the main plot along very fast without developing characters and their story arc.
And no not talking about the Lore timeline but the plot of the show seems to rushed or the build up to it. The one great thing about Tolkien has been what so many did not know until it was to late and the real adventure was the discovery of that info. They are simply rushing through that process.
Maybe we will be surprised that what seems to be rushed backstory will allow for a more richer story moving forward. I hope so.
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