re: 'The Fantastic Four’ Casting News: Ralph Ineson is Galactus

no I need you to tell me which culture they’re trying to subvert?

Is a white female silver surfer supposed to subvert white american culture? or comic book culture? which would actually make sense.

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Yall love playing victim so bad

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It's incredible to me that this thread is nine pages and you guys (most of you) still refuse to acknowledge that the Garner and Stanfield roles are not the same

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What's more likely in this movie:

1. Using Shalla Bal Silver Surfer - who was part of a pair in an alternate timeline - from the Earth X saga. When Norrin Radd has not been cast or announced in this film and she is cast as "Silver Surfer"

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2. Taking the Norrin Radd story, history, narrative, and using Shalla Bal in name only and translating Norrin's story - which is THE Silver Surfer - into HER story.

Using a character in name only DOES NOT mean the two roles are completely different characters.

Again, that's the problem They are most likely using the character of Silver Surfer, Norrin Radd, and replacing his character with a women in HIS story.

Eh, Marvel (disney) is pretty much done.

Let them keep losing money.

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It’s absolutely does. Why are we sitting here pretending all hero’s are created equal? Look at batman and Aquaman. Aquaman will never be on the same level as Batman. make them both white, black , women. He’s just not as cool a hero.

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Of course they aren't, that's not the point. The point, why don't you A) Create a new female character that everyone loves or B) Create a new diverse hero that everyone loves.

That's the problem. Heroes aren't equal period.

Your position basically says that for the rest of time, the only way to create good, diverse superheroes is to first establish a white male super hero for some time, then gender or race swap that character when they are popular enough.

You leave new room for female or diverse characters being created, ignoring the Harley Quinns and Miles MOrales' of the world.

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Why do you think Night Thrasher is less popular as a comic character than Silver Surfer?

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It has nothing to with his race. Silver Surfer is just a super unique character. Although, like I said, Thrasher is a great character. ThE New Warriors were a super fun team through the years and he's lead them multiple times.

Surfer has also been around a lot longer, and also been a key figure in MAJOR storylines.

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within the constraints of not giving all 50000 marvel hero’s their own movies.

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YOu don't have to make 5000 movies. You make a NIght Trahser movie. You make a Blade movie. X-23. Storm. SHaron Carter. Spider-Woman. Elsa Bloodstone. And on and on.

Why is it so necessary to take over a current character? I still haven't seen that actually articulated.

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In moderation sure. If there is a character who’s whiteness is integral to their character I am against it.

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Because only valuable super heroes are Tier A superheroes?

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well we haven’t had access to them for a good portion of MCU and need to figure out how to Introduce mutants into the world.

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But in terms of this decision, they did have access to them.

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What's more likely in this movie:

1. Using Shalla Bal Silver Surfer - who was part of a pair in an alternate timeline - from the Earth X saga. When Norrin Radd has not been cast or announced in this film and she is cast as "Silver Surfer"

or

2. Taking the Norrin Radd story, history, narrative, and using Shalla Bal in name only and translating Norrin's story - which is THE Silver Surfer - into HER story.

Using a character in name only DOES NOT mean the two roles are completely different characters.

Again, that's the problem They are most likely using the character of Silver Surfer, Norrin Radd, and replacing his character with a women in HIS story.

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It's easily #1. We've known for quite some time that both Shalla Bal and Norrin Radd will be in the MCU. This is just rehashing of the freakout over the rumors a year or two ago that they were searching for a female to cast as Silver Surfer, but those rumors also came with this would be an alternate reality version (Shalla Bal) and that Norrin Radd would still be in the MCU and will be "our" 616 realities Silver Surfer. That's why Stanfield was auditioning, they're casting both. Bal and Radd. It's just being reported as Garner was casted as the Silver Surfer (as the title of this thread says), but that's not the case. Completely different character. Being the Fantastic Four will need to be brought into the 616 universe at some point, I'm not sold you'll even see Radd in this movie.

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that’s my point. it’s not because Silver Surfer is white and Night Thrasher is black, it’s because night thrasher is a rip off of iron man and batman and that’s stands out.

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But what you want is a rip off of Silver Surfer that's female?

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my position is that it’s impossible to “play the hits” and have a diverse cast and characters with minimal runs aren’t getting their own movies.

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So then it shouldn't "play the hits but change the hits so they look nothing like the hits," it should be to "create new hits."

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Not everyone is going to be guardians of the galaxy.

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I mean it's literally been done, per the film existing it self. SO do it again.

And it's not like Black Panther was a dud either. It's proven that you can take diverse characters and make them heroes. Captain Marvel didn't suck because it was a woman, Danvers is another awesome character. The movies sucked.

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And don’t act like people have been super accepting of the spin off new
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Which ones?

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Why is X-23 going to be successful
with the same crown that fricking hates the existence of Ironheart?

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It's because Ironheart sucks, in the comics and the movie. Whereas X-23 is pretty great. She would be well received in a movie.

The main problem with Ironheart is they took something that was well established for years, put through trial after trial, and is the cornerstone of a character... and then said yeah this teenager is well beyond that. It was a dumb move. There is also general fatigue with mantle swapping going on across the board. It's become super annoying when it used to be relegated to weird alternate realities and what not.

Superheroes in comics do exist in this stationary bubble time suck that creates some problems - that is true. But when identities and characters are built on those foundations it's hard to shake them.

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So if it's 2, which I still think is more likely, then the concern is valid correct?

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If it was 2, sure. But it's not, that's been confirmed. Why waste time on hypotheticals?

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no I need you to tell me which culture they’re trying to subvert?

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If you do, then you're a moron who isn't worth engaging with. Good luck with that single-digit IQ.

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The main problem with Ironheart is they took something that was well established for years, put through trial after trial, and is the cornerstone of a character... and then said yeah this teenager is well beyond that. It was a dumb move. There is also general fatigue with mantle swapping going on across the board. It's become super annoying when it used to be relegated to weird alternate realities and what not.

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I don't even think this is the worst problem with it. It's made even worse because they had already established multiple characters who could take on the Iron Man role and actually knew Tony Stark:

1. War Machine, obviously
2. Pepper Potts
3. Tony's daughter from Endgame
4. The boy from Iron Man 3 who popped back up in Endgame

3 of those 4 options fit into the already crafted storyline AND check boxes they're clearly trying to check, but instead they decided to just throw all that out and go with some random black chick no one cares about.