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The changing landscape of Hollywood in the AI and anti-woke worlds

Posted on 11/7/24 at 2:26 pm
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 2:26 pm
Two major trends are converging on Hollywood's horizon, in my opinion.

The Rise of AI
In recent years, AI has fundamentally transformed storytelling. Advanced language models now draw from the entirety of human literature and history to craft stories on demand, with scripts refined in days instead of months or years—significantly reducing costs.

More recently, audio and video have become the next frontiers for AI. Audio generation is progressing, with most sounds well-mastered, though nuanced speech with natural inflection remains a challenge. This progress further reduces costs by minimizing the need for sound composition and voice actors.

Video generation, though still in its early stages, is advancing quickly. Currently, lifelike visuals still struggle with details like eyes and hands, but within a year, we may see fully realistic, 8K-level video produced entirely by AI. Initially, this will impact the visual effects sector, yet the most profound changes may come from the gradual replacement of human actors. While producers, directors, and editors will still be essential, AI will increasingly handle much of the creative process.

Decline in Originality and Boldness
Hollywood today is constrained by a cautious, profit-driven culture. Original ideas are often sidelined due to high production costs and a pervasive fear of missing the mark financially or clashing with prevailing agendas. This lack of boldness isn’t due to a lack of creativity in the industry but rather to the influence of powerful financial interests that dictate which ideas move forward.

A Vision for the Future of Entertainment
In the next decade, we may see a shift toward highly personalized, on-demand entertainment. Viewers could simply describe a desired concept—be it a 30-minute ‘80s-inspired sitcom or a Hitchcock-esque thriller—and instantly receive content tailored to their preferences. This evolution promises to redefine how we consume entertainment, offering limitless creative potential without the current constraints of Hollywood’s traditional structure.

Hollywood will spend staggering amounts to resist this evolution. Of course -


When AI reaches 80% autonomy in content creation, profit margins will become compelling. Once scaled and with start-up and sunk costs covered, profitability will be readily achievable.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 2:39 pm to
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In the next decade, we may see a shift toward highly personalized, on-demand entertainment. Viewers could simply describe a desired concept—be it a 30-minute ‘80s-inspired sitcom or a Hitchcock-esque thriller—and instantly receive content tailored to their preferences.


This sounds like entertainment in a dystopian hellscape
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 2:45 pm to
Turn out I hate AI. I don't want to live in that world.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:06 pm to
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I don't want to live in that world.


YouTube is now flooded with AI-generated "Panavision" trailers. Some are captivating; others, not so much. These trailers are stitched together from five-second AI-generated scenes, featuring AI-crafted video, music, voiceovers, and screenplays. The human element is simply the content creator who assembles it all. Each month, the visuals improve, pushing the boundaries of what AI can achieve.

Soon, anyone could become the creator of their own entertainment. Cinemas might adapt, offering audiences a way to experience user-generated content in a traditional movie setting for those with the skill.

This shift means that creative work will no longer be locked behind gatekeepers. While many people will still prefer curated entertainment, there will be opportunities for highly creative minds to stand out. This transformation opens endless possibilities, paving the way for a new revolution in artistic expression.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:11 pm to
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This sounds like entertainment in a dystopian hellscape


Not the way I see it, however Black Mirror is what makes me go down this path. Things usually do not end well in those episodes
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:21 pm to
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YouTube is now flooded with AI-generated "Panavision" trailers. Some are captivating; others, not so much. These trailers are stitched together from five-second AI-generated scenes, featuring AI-crafted video, music, voiceovers, and screenplays. The human element is simply the content creator who assembles it all. Each month, the visuals improve, pushing the boundaries of what AI can achieve.


I've seen a lot of them, they can be good. Follow a TikTok that does AI trailers of stuff like "If Lord of the Rings was made in the 1950's". I enjoy watching them from time to time or something like the Game of Thrones but the trailer trash version that blew up.

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This shift means that creative work will no longer be locked behind gatekeepers. While many people will still prefer curated entertainment, there will be opportunities for highly creative minds to stand out. This transformation opens endless possibilities, paving the way for a new revolution in artistic expression.


Yea some random bozo who can't wrap telling a computer to make a John Ford type spaghetti western starting Brad Pitt and Clint Eastwood but set in the future is not expanding creativity. It's doing the exact opposite. I don't want to give credit to people with absolutely zero talent other than coming up with an idea and letting a computer do everything.
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:39 pm to
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Soon, anyone could become the creator of their own entertainment. Cinemas might adapt, offering audiences a way to experience user-generated content in a traditional movie setting for those with the skill.


It just sounds dumb.

"You can now watch your imagination on the big screen. In rocking chair comfort with a coke and some popcorn or an adult beverage if you chose. In full Dolby THX MXT sound".

Nahhh....
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:42 pm to
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I don't want to give credit to people with absolutely zero talent other than coming up with an idea and letting a computer do everything.


Completely get that, and those scenarios will exist. You also have to look at it from the other side as well. Sometimes the idea is the talent itself, and AI helping execute the vision is just part of the process.

Most of the stuff being put out now in the entertainment industry (video and music) is just a tweak of something already done in the past. Originality in what we receive now, is almost dead. There are sparks here and there, however very little sparks.

There are so many TV series, whose final seasons went out on a dud. The ability to end something the way you personally think it should, and be completely different than anyone else, would be a welcome change.

There would be an abundance of trash, however it would unlock some true gems as well.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 4:17 pm to
Theres a Pacino movie called S1mOne from 2002.

Way ahead of its time.
Posted by wesfau
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 4:18 pm to
Gross.

The self-referential limitations of AI are why it will never produce art.
Posted by AUCom96
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 4:19 pm to
I was watching Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow (99) recently. I really enjoy this movie this time of year, but it's not a masterpiece by any measure. However, the difference in craftsmanship between this movie and almost any movie I've seen in the last 15 or so years is staggering.

What the studios will use AI to produce will be even cheaper looking and uninspiring. We are absolutely in a creative dark age and it's been driven by shallowness and greed.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 4:38 pm to
Maybe ai will save us from the woke garbage Hollywood puts out


Imagine if ai was able to make a historical film with no woke casting


Even Hollywood can’t pull that off
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 4:52 pm to
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Imagine if ai was able to make a historical film with no woke casting
Have fun with your Hallmark History Channel. Your Martha Washington played by Lacey Chabert won't be showing any cleavage.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 5:06 pm to
I have ZERO sympathy for Hollywood. This is just like automation changing manufacturing. They need to adapt or get real jobs.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 6:40 pm to
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What the studios will use AI to produce will be even cheaper looking and uninspiring.


This is the polar opposite of what will happen.

SFX looks cheap many times compared to practical effects. That is a limitation of the software though and that is quickly evolving. Within a couple years, the know SFX software will be completely outdated and much more clean. The effects will also be easily refined with minimal work from humans. The reason some look so cheap now, is the amount of human hours it takes to create them.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 7:18 pm to
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The self-referential limitations of AI are why it will never produce art.


That is a deep thought, without a clear answer. The problem is we do not know what AGI really will be, and once achieved how it will progress from there. Going with OpenAI levels, we are still just a Level 1 of 5 to get to AGI. Level 2 is actually happening now with reasoners. They expect those within months really, and that should actually speed up progress to Level 3 agents.

Level 4 is where we start testing your statement, with Innovators. This is not AGI yet, but at this level AI is adding to the sum of humanity knowledge and not just learning from it. What does that mean, you could tell AI to create a new art form, and it could build it from scratch.

In our current version though, it can produce "art" from human prompt and knowledge only. Just using the cheap free stuff, within 10 mins you can get this

Prompt from ChatGPT


Result from Flux


Move the image over Runway to make it move. Eyes are a little creepy
Posted by AUCom96
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 5:25 am to
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SFX looks cheap many times compared to practical effects. That is a limitation of the software though and that is quickly evolving. Within a couple years, the know SFX software will be completely outdated and much more clean. The effects will also be easily refined with minimal work from humans. The reason some look so cheap now, is the amount of human hours it takes to create them.


This is the same argument - minus the AI - made for the shift to CG years ago. The result was cheap looking and much more expensive movies.

I'm of the belief that what makes art from humans special is that humans create it and there is something not terribly mathematical about that appeal. AI will not doubt eventually create some amazing stuff, but I still suspect it will lack in the way CG lacks when put up against well done cinematography, lighting and practical effects. Yes, the money men will make sure this is the new reality not because "minimal work from humans" makes a better product, but because it makes a cheaper and more controllable one.
Posted by UGATiger26
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:22 am to
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A Vision for the Future of Entertainment
In the next decade, we may see a shift toward highly personalized, on-demand entertainment. Viewers could simply describe a desired concept—be it a 30-minute ‘80s-inspired sitcom or a Hitchcock-esque thriller—and instantly receive content tailored to their preferences. This evolution promises to redefine how we consume entertainment, offering limitless creative potential without the current constraints of Hollywood’s traditional structure.


While there may be a place for such content, quite honestly, I only see your vision becoming reality as it pertains to sterile, lifeless content like pornography.

I think what you are forgetting is the role that entertainment and story-telling plays as a cultural touchstone for humans. We naturally crave opportunities to find commonality and experience in our shared stories. There's a reason some stories have been cherished, celebrated, and remade through the centuries while others are forgotten.

In the world you describe, we'd quickly lose our cultural touchstones as more and more content gets pumped out daily. Ironically, we would still have "gatekeepers" who decide which of the AI content is worth disseminating and sharing and which should be "popular."

"Hey! Did you see the AI movie that depicts the story of Jurassic Park set in 1950s style, but where the dinosaurs were instead created by aliens?"

"No, but I did see the AI movie that depicts the story of Jurassic Park set in 1930s style, but where the dinosaurs were instead created by aliens! Have you seen that one?"

Kind of a blunt example, but you get my point.

I can easily imagine a future where people would be willing to pay a premium for genuine "handcrafted" content instead of mass-produced AI content. Will be somewhat akin to traveling to the vineyards of Tuscany to taste the wines instead of ordering a case of wine off Amazon. It's not really the wine itself that people want, but rather the ability to talk about and share the experience with others who've done the same.
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 8:15 am
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:41 am to
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The Rise of AI


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Decline in Originality and Boldness
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:35 am to
AI voiceovers on Youtube videos are grating.

It's something about hearing the voice keep going at the same tone and speed constantly and beyond a normal speaker's capacity to talk and breathe at the same time. It's unnerving to me.

There is also the storytelling element that AI is never going to get entirely right. Sure the large language model can look at all literature and art over the course of human history and create something to appease a specific prompt, but the story won't be filtered through the lens of individual human experience and mental illness that have been major forces in the creation of the vast majority of that literature and art.
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