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re: The changing landscape of Hollywood in the AI and anti-woke worlds

Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:15 pm to
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I know that we don't know the limits of AI, but I doubt that AI will ever produce a great story and great dialogue.


You would be very surprised, within a year probably. Almost every great story ever written is inspired by a story from before. Going back to Tolkien mentioned earlier, his work was pulled from Norse and Biblical history. The originality of the human is nothing more than processing of data it has encountered and experienced. Whether human or artificial, intelligence is intelligence and the rules that govern that apply equally. Creativity is created from digesting existance.
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Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 9:14 pm to
You kinda defined rap there.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 5:47 am to
Video games make more money than the movie and music industry combined. AI has already won.
Posted by nealnan8
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:07 am to
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Almost every great story ever written is inspired by a story from before

not necessarily. Many great stories are written from personal experiences that were never put to paper. Also, the writer's own personality and character inform those stories. It is an overlay added to the story itself.
AI could never know the experience of, say, Oscar Wilde, who's experience as a gay man in the late 1800s in Ireland and England certainly informed some of his creations. Or Ken Kesey, who was high on LSD when he wrote One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. And how about Phillip K. Dick? A futurist who only drew on his imagination for what the future holds. He wrote Minority Report in 1956, for God's sake.
Posted by Bham4Tide
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:30 am to
And no more original music/scores. It can 100% be created in a studio.

Why pay residuals?
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 9:35 am to
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Video games make more money than the movie and music industry combined. AI has already won.


I am tempted starting that thread on the gaming board

They have released an AI demo of Doom and Minecraft recreated with AI. There is no game engine, the world is being created as you play it. Everyone's play through would be different. Even a person playing the game a 2nd time through would be different than the first.

Rockstar is not leading this, but my hope is they are the first to fully embrace it. Releasing Red Dead 3 or GTA VII with an AI engine would be the most amazing experience. Considering GTA VII will not release for another 10 years, I would 100% expect that to be the case.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:34 am to
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AI could never know the experience of, say, Oscar Wilde, who's experience as a gay man in the late 1800s in Ireland and England certainly informed some of his creations. Or Ken Kesey, who was high on LSD when he wrote One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. And how about Phillip K. Dick? A futurist who only drew on his imagination for what the future holds. He wrote Minority Report in 1956, for God's sake.


I would counter that argument, AI dwarfs those. AI has access to the totality of all human knowledge and stories. That is something no human can replicate. As we get closer to level 5 AI with reasoners and agents, AI itself will be able to weave a story from its imagination. Will it be equally fascinating, that is to be determined.
Posted by nealnan8
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 12:59 pm to
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AI has access to the totality of all human knowledge and stories.

which is to say, AI has all data. That describes the human knowledge and stories that AI has...it's only data.
By the way, I am no Luddite (far from it), and I agree that we really don't know the limits of AI. But can AI get angry, frustrated, desperate, emotional, ecstatic? Because those things that I just mentioned are part of emotional expressiveness, which is part of writing a story. AI can mimic all of these emotions, but cannot feel these emotions. AI can take all of the words and facts and even writing styles of all of the famous authors, but I would bet that while reading an AI story, you would feel like you were reading an attempt to mimic other authors. By the way, good discussion...
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:58 pm to
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By the way, good discussion...



It has been interesting hearing everyone's thoughts.
Posted by JW
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:02 pm to
You will unlikely see any studio or production company promote a film that was written via AI in the next decade or longer. First off it’s hard to write a script that doesn’t sound artificial and robotic as a human being … It takes a special skill and emotional level to write a good script. And what working Director or Actor is going to participate in a project that has a AI generated script? If anything certain writers and directors may use AI as a tool, but it will be behind the scenes and due to copyright and creative integrity will never be disclosed.
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Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:53 pm to
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You will unlikely see any studio or production company promote a film that was written via AI in the next decade or longer. First off it’s hard to write a script that doesn’t sound artificial and robotic as a human being … It takes a special skill and emotional level to write a good script. And what working Director or Actor is going to participate in a project that has a AI generated script? If anything certain writers and directors may use AI as a tool, but it will be behind the scenes and due to copyright and creative integrity will never be disclosed.


Hollywood will fight this with all they have. It is the hill they will die on, as once here will erode any power and influence they have.

It will begin in the shadows and overseas first. You will start to see homegrown shows and almost feature length movies on Youtube like services. As mentioned earlier, in the US, it will be the porn industry that first implements it openly.

AI has the ability to digest every good script ever written, it will understand the emotions. Human emotions are being trained into the models now with the chatbots all over the place. It is cataloging how to interact with humans and what makes them react.

Level 2 reasoners are happening now. That is going to give AI problem solving on the level of a doctorate degree without the access to external tools.

I do not think this starts moving until actors and writers are replaced. You will find directors and producers to move it forward. Directors and editors will be the last to get replaced, and may never. Those are the actual artist anyways, not actors and writers
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:36 am to
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I'm quite sure there will be a market for AI works.


Elevator music market.
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