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Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:06 pm to
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I believe the point of the ending was one of the kids was never going to get it because the other two would sabotage. They were competing all their lives and would never be able to let the other sibling win. It was not an altruistic decision shiv made for the company or her own future. She had been programmed to screw siblings over at any opportunity and could not overcome her programming.

100% this. In the decisive moment they all went back to their true characters.

Rome was shy and insecure wanting no part in final decisions

Ken was only focussed on what was good for him and couldn’t look beyond his own world

Shiv can’t stand to see her brothers succeed and can’t handle anyone but herself having success.

They all did what they’ve been programmed to do by Logan, that’s his true legacy
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66721 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:25 pm to
That was the issue with the entire series, no character arcs. I liked this series a lot but all the complaints about it becoming stale and repetitive last season were correct. With Logan dying this season we saw Ken and Rome begin to complete a character arc to grow up and take his place. Rome couldn’t do it but Ken did all to have Shiv do what she always does and hamstring the family by stabbing someone in the back. So from ep 1 to the finale we’ve gone nowhere.
Posted by Triple Bogey
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:30 pm to
I didn’t hate the ending, but I was rooting for Kendall. I hate Shiv so much. I wished they would’ve kept her in the dark about Tom just to watch her get destroyed by the guy she’s shite on for years.

In the end I think it’s kind of a lesson on self preservation. Ken was trying everything he could and so was Shiv. I hate that she kinda won in a sense.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4049 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 5:00 pm to
I think this it’s hard to view this show in terms of who is going to win and who is going to lose, but honestly in terms of what the individuals truly wanted and desired deep down, Roman was the winner by default. He wanted out by the very end and seems most likely to be content with a playboy billionaire lifestyle lacking professional ambition.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 5:14 pm to
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I do think the 1 minute where Kendall is ceo and acting like a jackass played a part in reminding shiv who she is dealing with. He was always pretty bad in the board room.



Exactly what I took away from it. The night before, for that one time, they acted like normal siblings. They were at a safe place at mom's house away from the business and everybody else. Shiv was done, Roman would have done whatever, and Kendall was finally acting like a "serious person" about the CEO role. So Shiv and Roman gave up their battles and said ok Kendall it's you. The family acted like a family in the kitchen, playful silly behavior, mom came down the stairs and told them to quiet down, Roman being Roman licking the cheese, making that gross shake, pouring it on Kendall, etc. As soon as they got back to that boardroom they went back to cutthroat. Kendall went back to his CEO Bro bullshite, and Shiv remembered why she hated him. He was gloating and she hated that he'd won. Roman remembered what Ken had done in the past and finally spilled it to Shiv and that cemented her vote

I also think Ken definitely jumped in the ocean. We'd seen him pass out in the pool with his face in the water, we saw him swimming in the ocean at the end of another episode, then we saw him swim out to the dock by himself in this episode. Seems to make sense that with him staring at the ocean he was going in after the episode ended
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 5:45 pm to
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None of the kids have ever been motivated by money nor have they needed to be. It’s always been about power and status for them.


That's what I kept reminding myself of through this series. Being at the top is all they had to play for. Private jets to Barbados mean as much to them as me taking Uber to a park
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7133 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 6:41 pm to
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I don't think Shiv's change of heart was well explained. After she learned Tom was gonna be CEO, she was even more motivated to stop the deal. So it couldn't have been that she wanted Tom over Kendall as the reason for her flip-flop. And then nothing happened between Shiv and Kendall between the beach decision and her walking out of the boardroom to change her mind either.


IDK why it doesn’t make sense to most of you. It makes perfect sense. There’s a little bit of, yeah Tom will be it. But mostly, Shiv just didn’t feel like he deserved it and he didn’t. None of them deserved it. That was the point. It becomes another public company just like any other. The board would have had shareholder lawsuits for voting no on that deal.

I don’t think Shiv was all in at their mom’s. She was kind of in a cloud of unity with Roman’s injury. But really Shiv and Roman both didn’t want him to have it. That’s the whole point.

I loved the ending. So glad none of the kids got the company. They didn’t deserve it.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7133 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 6:58 pm to
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Kendall never established shite. He spoke at a funeral and thought that meant he could run a business.


100% this!

Kendall has shown that he isn’t the leader. None of the kids are. That silver spoon in their mouths made them weak in every way. It’s right for the company to be in the hands of people who actually know something about business.
Posted by HeLeakin
Member since May 2014
3635 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:11 pm to
Some people just need to go back and re-watch the show. Connor and Shiv were not in favor of Kendall being CEO from the beginning.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6572 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:19 pm to
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Kendall has shown that he isn’t the leader.


Disagree with this. His presentation at the investor day was fantastic. Him picking up the pieces for Roman and Shiv constantly. He had political connections and made some really difficult decisions for the business over the years. He deserved it more than Tom IMO.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10259 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:26 pm to
Tom was the only one willing to step up and go to jail for the company. He was also the only one that actually did some type of actual work. He deserved it in my opinion
Posted by Stonehog
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:55 pm to
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He wanted out by the very end and seems most likely to be content with a playboy billionaire lifestyle lacking professional ambition.


I think he accepted his fate when he was in the bar, but a few minutes before that he was crying in Kendall’s arms saying “why couldn’t it be me?”

I think all the kids didn’t really know what they wanted because they’re not serious people. Kendall was ready to be CEO of a company he tried to frick last season because it was a dinosaur. Shiv wanted to be CEO but she also wanted to be a mom, and a better one than her own. Roman wanted to phone in his vote at the board meeting but the night before he said that Logan wanted it to be him. Lots of examples.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 7:57 pm to
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I think all the kids didn’t really know what they wanted because they’re not serious people.


The irony is this (knowing its based on Logan's comment that they're not serious people) is Logan and his ex-wife raised them to not be serious people.

For all the bitching Logan had about the kids and how they conducted themselves, the common denominator is him.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
8297 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 8:38 pm to
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Succession Alert by Civildawg
Tom was the only one willing to step up and go to jail for the company


Well he did destroy criminal evidence when head of cruises, or directed Hreg to do it. And he only agreed because he was scared of Logan and Logan offered to take care of him financially. He wasn't being altruistic. He's a weak boot-licker, that's the only reason he got the CEO job.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10259 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 8:50 pm to
Well that’s more than what any of the kids would have done
Posted by Stonehog
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Member since Aug 2011
33912 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 8:53 pm to
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Well that’s more than what any of the kids would have done


True, Kendall was supposed to take the fall but went full whistleblower instead.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
89775 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 8:56 pm to
matsson likes weak bootlickers, especially loyal ones

tom will fit right in

shiv will pour her ideas into Tom’s ear, when matsson likes them he will listen, when he doesnt he will tell tom to STFU. matsson gets access to Shiv’s brains without her having access to him.

Shiv chooses Queen to a Paper King, because deep down she doesnt believe in herself
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:18 pm to
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Tom was the only one willing to step up and go to jail for the company. He was also the only one that actually did some type of actual work. He deserved it in my opinion



My feelings exactly

I also feel that shiv was thinking of the child, and their heir to the throne/succession. Loved the season and the ending. As Kendall would say "they fricking nailed it bro"
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33284 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:41 pm to
So was Shiv being played the whole time or did he have a change or heart at the last minute?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37832 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:57 pm to
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I think he accepted his fate when he was in the bar, but a few minutes before that he was crying in Kendall’s arms saying “why couldn’t it be me?”


I think him crying in Kendall’s arms was his accepting it. Making much ado about that eyebrow cut being opened wasn’t a coincidence. Roman realized he is damaged goods and was lamenting why he couldn’t have been normal or given a normal shot at life. Of course Kendall is arguably just as abnormal in his own way, but completely in denial, hence him claiming he made up the dead wedding employee etc.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 9:59 pm
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