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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers
Posted on 12/18/15 at 6:57 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/18/15 at 6:57 am to OMLandshark
I think Kylo ren comes off as a spoiled brat who is super force sensitive.... He's fricking Han and leia's kid.... He's probably been told all his life he's the best... And now believes it when things don't go his way he throws a fit.
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 6:58 am to OMLandshark
Theory:
Rey is about 8-9 years younger than Kylo and they both attend the Jedi Academy and train to be Jedi.
Kylo meets Snoke at some point, Snoke convinces him the Dark Side is stronger, and turns him rogue.
While Luke is away, Kylo kills all the students at the academy as well as Luke's wife/Rey's mother. He fights with himself in his mind and cannot kill Rey and spares her.
Luke comes back to the Academy and sees the damage done, and cannot live with himself. He wipes Rey's memories, causing her to forget about her Jedi training, and takes her to Jaaku and leaves her to protect her. Luke then goes into hiding, and vows to never use the force again.
In TFA, during the flashback/future? scene:
Rey's tapping into the force abilities were triggered and accelerated when she touched Anakin's lightsaber, and some of her abilities came back.
This would also explain why Kylo seemed hesitant to kill Rey and offered to train her in the force. Perhaps he knows she is related to him.
Rey is about 8-9 years younger than Kylo and they both attend the Jedi Academy and train to be Jedi.
Kylo meets Snoke at some point, Snoke convinces him the Dark Side is stronger, and turns him rogue.
While Luke is away, Kylo kills all the students at the academy as well as Luke's wife/Rey's mother. He fights with himself in his mind and cannot kill Rey and spares her.
Luke comes back to the Academy and sees the damage done, and cannot live with himself. He wipes Rey's memories, causing her to forget about her Jedi training, and takes her to Jaaku and leaves her to protect her. Luke then goes into hiding, and vows to never use the force again.
In TFA, during the flashback/future? scene:
Rey's tapping into the force abilities were triggered and accelerated when she touched Anakin's lightsaber, and some of her abilities came back.
This would also explain why Kylo seemed hesitant to kill Rey and offered to train her in the force. Perhaps he knows she is related to him.
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 7:11 am
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:05 am to JabarkusRussell
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wonder what Yoda and Obi-Wan would think of how Luke failed to revive the Jedi order after promising to pass on what he learned.
Seeing as both of them did the same thing in their lives, retreating to fight another day and wait for an apprentice is a major part of being a failed Jedi Master.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:08 am to Breesus
I think the Snoke master guy is pulling a wizard of Oz effect. Something tells me he's really small, not quite Yoda but small nonetheless. We've never seen giants in this universe have we? I dunno why, but I think wen Ren meets him he's a scrawny frick.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:15 am to athenslife101
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Han going light speed through the shield felt very very very forced to me.
yeah, I guess they figured that out after two death stars? How about light speed missiles?
Movie was better than 1,2,3...but that wasn't a high bar
acting was great, but the overall story was horseshite
If it were me, I would have killed off all the old people.
1. Mega-Death-star gets another shot off killing Leia, r2, and c3po.
2. Ren(?) Solo, now free of his parents, when he skewers pops, is ready for the next level of Sithdom and finds the interracials running in the woods and starts to play with them like an unhungry cat and mouse.
3. Ren Solo does the classic bad guy narrative (like james bond movies where the bad guy reveals his plan/story), and just keeps force beating the two, until he finishes the big reveal(his rationale/motive/whatever) and is about to finish the job when the girl, with ramped emotion displays her own mild force use(which shows her potential), which pauses Ren just enough for Chewbacca to come in FULL RAGE! for epic fight.
4. Chewbaccca mauls the frick out of Ren Solo, hurting him, but Chewy ends up dying as well as the Planet is breaking apart and the interracial are close enough to the falcon to fly off.
5. Final scene, temple somewhere, close up of only part of Luke's face, and you see his eye open.(awakens= disturbance of the loss of his friends, and feeling the force use of the new girl, awakens Luke from wherever he was) : Roll Credits
This way, you don't have to cater screen time to nostalgia and you can move forward with the direction of the new series.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:25 am to YumYum Sauce
Got to see it at 7:00 last night and loved it. Wasn't perfect but that's ok because it did a lot of things great and laid a solid foundation for the rest of the series.
Ridley was amazing (all of the new cast really) and I thought the scenes of her discovering the force, especially when she flipped the force interrogation on Kylo, were great. It makes sense with the Force as described in the original trilogy that there'd be some people who organically discover their powers, rather than having to go through the strict regiment of an Academy every single time.
I definitely enjoyed the new stuff more than the old, sans Han and Chewie who picked up right where they left off.
Like I said earlier not perfect, and people can (and some will) nitpick, but I think this was a fun movie that got the spirit of the originals right and rebooted the franchise!
Ridley was amazing (all of the new cast really) and I thought the scenes of her discovering the force, especially when she flipped the force interrogation on Kylo, were great. It makes sense with the Force as described in the original trilogy that there'd be some people who organically discover their powers, rather than having to go through the strict regiment of an Academy every single time.
I definitely enjoyed the new stuff more than the old, sans Han and Chewie who picked up right where they left off.
Like I said earlier not perfect, and people can (and some will) nitpick, but I think this was a fun movie that got the spirit of the originals right and rebooted the franchise!
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 7:38 am
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:54 am to drizztiger
After think about the movie I've concluded 3 things about Rey:
1. She WAS trained at a young age by Luke and then had her memory wiped by the force and subdued in order to protect her once his pupil went rouge. Kylo suspects something about her.
2. When she touched Luke's saber all the training/battles of Anakin and Luke jolted her, awakening her potential giving her a nice head start.
3. Luke was actually guiding her and enhancing her abilities from a distance.
I fully expect reason 3 to be why she struggles in training in episode 8. He will force her to use her powers on her own.
1. She WAS trained at a young age by Luke and then had her memory wiped by the force and subdued in order to protect her once his pupil went rouge. Kylo suspects something about her.
2. When she touched Luke's saber all the training/battles of Anakin and Luke jolted her, awakening her potential giving her a nice head start.
3. Luke was actually guiding her and enhancing her abilities from a distance.
I fully expect reason 3 to be why she struggles in training in episode 8. He will force her to use her powers on her own.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:56 am to bodask42
I agree. all these people nitpicking can do the same to the original triologies. Just not worth doing that to such a good movie.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 7:58 am to hg
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Only complaint is I feel like they didn't show the dark side too much.
I don't think we'll have to worry about that in Episode VIII, since it's implied we'll see Kylo's training with Snoke.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:05 am to jeff5891
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well yea, Luke is her father
I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know what is actually in it. But I've read all the spoilers.
Could Rey not be Leia's daughter? Luke's niece. Which would make Rey and Kylo twins, like Luke and Leia. That would make Rey Vader's granddaughter so the force is still in her.
So for someone who hasn't seen the movie how is that not possible?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:12 am to Kujo
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Kujo
That post gave me cancer. Thanks.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:12 am to RollTide1987
Why is it far fetched to think Rey could do some of the force things in this movie but not far fetched for Luke to be able to force control two torpedoes into an exhaust vent a couple of meters in diameter while flying a fighter at a high rate of speed after a couple of weeks with OWK?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:14 am to jackmanusc
Apparently the stormtrooper Rey controls was Daniel Craig
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:17 am to Kujo
Now your failure is complete. Stop posting.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:20 am to GIbson05
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I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know what is actually in it. But I've read all the spoilers. Could Rey not be Leia's daughter? Luke's niece. Which would make Rey and Kylo twins, like Luke and Leia. That would make Rey Vader's granddaughter so the force is still in her. So for someone who hasn't seen the movie how is that not possible?
It's possible, I think Leia would of said something to her though. I am hoping she is Luke's daughter because for Leia to not go with them to find Luke is complete garbage unless Rey is his daughter.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:24 am to The_Joker
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So why did R2 wait to give the other part of the map?
I don't think we're supposed to know yet. I'm betting Luke knows more than we do right now and he told R2 to wait until Rey (or whoever connects with his old saber) got there. But what do I know. There are lots of unanswered questions, as there should be for the first of a trilogy.
In Rey's flashback scene when she touches Luke's lightsaber for the first time, she sees Luke put his robot hand on R2-D2. I took that as Luke putting the map in R2-D2 as well as telling R2-D2 when to awaken.
So it seems there was some kind of connection between R2-D2 and Luke's lightsaber.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:25 am to The_Joker
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And also, during Rey's vision after she touches the lightsaber you see the clip of Luke touching R2. Seems to me, that's probably when Luke was telling R2 to go to sleep and when to wake up. When the saber and her wielder gets to him.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:30 am to Boss
I've perused this thread but haven't noticed light saber discussion. Did anyone else think that Abrams changed how they work? Both the prequels and the originals characterized the light sabers as delicate instruments. In TFA Finn gets slashed across the back and doesn't split in two. Ren gets smacked in the face by Rey and he just has this burnt cut.
What gives?
What gives?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:33 am to Boss
They should have just called it Episode 4: A New Hope (for better special effects).
It was the same plot almost the whole way around.
The falcon is junk and hasn't run in years, but can still out-maneuver tie fighters.
Force-capable beings are on a desert planet and end up meeting an old man in a white robe and cloak.
The main villain wears a mask and has a robot voice.
The son of a force-capable person has turned to the other side.
There's a giant planet killing machine that literally causes the death of stars, but wait, it has an unguarded weakness that we need to fly through a trench to reach.
Jar Jar Abrams really screwed this one up.
It was the same plot almost the whole way around.
The falcon is junk and hasn't run in years, but can still out-maneuver tie fighters.
Force-capable beings are on a desert planet and end up meeting an old man in a white robe and cloak.
The main villain wears a mask and has a robot voice.
The son of a force-capable person has turned to the other side.
There's a giant planet killing machine that literally causes the death of stars, but wait, it has an unguarded weakness that we need to fly through a trench to reach.
Jar Jar Abrams really screwed this one up.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 8:33 am to cupchu1
quote:
I've perused this thread but haven't noticed light saber discussion. Did anyone else think that Abrams changed how they work? Both the prequels and the originals characterized the light sabers as delicate instruments. In TFA Finn gets slashed across the back and doesn't split in two. Ren gets smacked in the face by Rey and he just has this burnt cut.
What gives?
Well I think Kylo's saber is obviously not a top of the line model, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be as powerful. As far as the cut on his face, I don't remember exactly but he could have been just barely grazed or something along those lines.
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