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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:02 am to DelU249
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:02 am to DelU249
I get what you are saying, but come one. You guys are being so overly analytical, and you are now swinging back to wanting the overly long exposition of the PT. That trilogy was eviscerated for having too much dialogue, for telling not showing.
In the OT, you knew nothing about the Emperor. You knew he was Vader's master, that's it. It is the same exact thing as Snoke, but I don't see anyone bitching about the Emperor form the original trilogy. Is he now a better character because of the PT?
Also, Luke was always a reluctant hero. He wasn't going to fight Vader, and he felt responsible for Ren's turn (he says it was his fault not Snoke's), and the subsequent murder of students and innocents. It is totally in his character to not want to fight, because that is exactly where he was at the end of Jedi. I think you fanboys are pissed because EU Luke was a badass. You know what. Those stories don't matter.
The only part that dragged for me was the Finn storyline, but I can see why they had it. The OT was a very tight narrow, story. Those that say it's Anakin's redemption story is bullshite. It was Luke's story. That horseshite was retconned when Lucas decided to do the PT. This trilogy is setting a transition. The purpose of the Casino, and the end scene is to show that it is not just about the Skywalkers. There is a much larger world, with much larger pieces. BDT's character reinforced that also. I can't imagine Empire being released now, and people bitching. The swamp scene is so boring. Vader is a bitch who has a master (what the hell is that)? The scene in the asteroid worm was pointless. Yada Yada Yada. You guys have the OT on a pedestal and have what you want this story to be based on the books. Get over it.
In the OT, you knew nothing about the Emperor. You knew he was Vader's master, that's it. It is the same exact thing as Snoke, but I don't see anyone bitching about the Emperor form the original trilogy. Is he now a better character because of the PT?
Also, Luke was always a reluctant hero. He wasn't going to fight Vader, and he felt responsible for Ren's turn (he says it was his fault not Snoke's), and the subsequent murder of students and innocents. It is totally in his character to not want to fight, because that is exactly where he was at the end of Jedi. I think you fanboys are pissed because EU Luke was a badass. You know what. Those stories don't matter.
The only part that dragged for me was the Finn storyline, but I can see why they had it. The OT was a very tight narrow, story. Those that say it's Anakin's redemption story is bullshite. It was Luke's story. That horseshite was retconned when Lucas decided to do the PT. This trilogy is setting a transition. The purpose of the Casino, and the end scene is to show that it is not just about the Skywalkers. There is a much larger world, with much larger pieces. BDT's character reinforced that also. I can't imagine Empire being released now, and people bitching. The swamp scene is so boring. Vader is a bitch who has a master (what the hell is that)? The scene in the asteroid worm was pointless. Yada Yada Yada. You guys have the OT on a pedestal and have what you want this story to be based on the books. Get over it.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:02 am to DelU249
I really dont think i've ever been as disappointed in a star wars movie because all the critics I trust said it was AWESOME. That's just not the case. The more I think on the movie, the more I dislike it. Rian was suppose to be the chosen one to lead this franchise and he obviously is not the choice.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:03 am to theunknownknight
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She doesnt trust this guy (because, you know, he has blood on his hands) and has him removed from the crew. He returns in a furious rage later and yells at her, calling her a traitor on her own bridge. He is removed again. He comes back again and commits mutiny and has her held at gunpoint. He reveals his plan, and she breaks free to salvage the actual better plan. The problem is she must now sacrifice herself and their most powerful ship because of Poe and his team’s incompetence which ultimately destroys her brilliant plan and leads to the death of thousands of members of the resistance.
He’s written as a villain and most people are too dumb to see it.
There was like 200 people in the resistance left. She should have gotten everyone together and said this is what we're going to do. I would have been just as skeptical as Poe.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:04 am to The Pirate King
quote:Haven't seen it yet, and didn't want to be spoiled... but I loved Star Wars so much I caved in and peeked a bit. And what I found is sooo disappointing.
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It’s so out there. That’s the whole reason I love it. It’s the least Star Wars movie ever and that’s my favorite thing I love about it.
frick you. People like you are what are killing Star Wars, James Bond, etc. just let the movies be how they should and feel like a Star Wars/James Bond movie. The majority of people go to see these movies because of the originals, and how they made you “feel”.
If you want to create something new and bold, make a new story, don’t just lazily piggyback off the characters of an established franchise.
Pirate King, your point about SW and James Bond, and leaving them alone, is spot-on. Re: Bond movies... if I want a spy movie without the shmooze and charm, I'll watch a Bourne movie, not a deadened modern Bond flick.
If you want SF similar to but NOT Star Wars (as defined by the movies before it), go see Valerian or GOTG, or demand another original entry. Don't go around permanently altering the balance of a beloved story, just because you can.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:04 am to OMLandshark
I thought the scene where the Resistance ship went into Hyperspace and sliced through the First Order dreadnaught was the highlight of the movie - really cool SFX.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:04 am to DelU249
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It really speaks to how awful the movie is that Superman Leia is barely mentioned
I wonder how they are gonna start off with Episode IX. It was made out that Leia was gonna have a crucial role in that movie.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:05 am to RedPants
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Agreed. I was really happy that they found a way to give Finn a solid, full arc....then Rose because reasons.
I thought it completed both of their arcs in the movie. Finn, through his journey with Rose, finally found something worth fighting for. Until then, he was only ever running for his life or worried about Rey. Now he has a cause worth fighting for and was willing to sacrifice himself by running to the fight for that cause. Would have been a good end for him, BUT
Rose’s side of the story was pretty clear about protecting what you leave. She lost her sister at the beginning and couldn’t do anything about it but now she had the opportunity to save Finn.
I don’t know, I thought it wrapped up both characters journeys in this movie pretty well and tied into the just survive narrative as well.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:05 am to Boss
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You guys are being so overly analytical,
you're not being analytical enough
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:06 am to Boss
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
Oh I agree. I’m not defending her stupidity. She was retarded in keeping that a secret.
But really, if you think about it, everyone else on board kinda was aware of her plan. It was Poe who was left in the dark, mainly because he was being a dick. So he storms off, ruins her plan, commits mutiny, and ends up being responsible for the death of 90% of the resistance from the first scene to the last by the end of the movie and they STILL love him. Kylo ain’t got shite on this guy.
But really, if you think about it, everyone else on board kinda was aware of her plan. It was Poe who was left in the dark, mainly because he was being a dick. So he storms off, ruins her plan, commits mutiny, and ends up being responsible for the death of 90% of the resistance from the first scene to the last by the end of the movie and they STILL love him. Kylo ain’t got shite on this guy.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:08 am to Boss
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It is totally in his character to not want to fight, because that is exactly where he was at the end of Jedi. I think you fanboys are pissed because EU Luke was a badass. You know what. Those stories don't matter.
False. I've never delved into the EU, but Luke is my favorite movie character ever and everyone wanted him to become a badass because it's the best payoff you can write to his character arc. The reluctant hero becoming a badass that only unleashes his power when he absolutely has no other choice is just good story telling. It was right there for them to explore, Mark Hamill showed in this movie that he has developed the acting chops to carry that type of role, and they absolutely botched it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to Boss
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The only part that dragged for me was the Finn storyline, but I can see why they had it. The OT was a very tight narrow, story. Those that say it's Anakin's redemption story is bullshite. It was Luke's story. That horseshite was retconned when Lucas decided to do the PT. This trilogy is setting a transition. The purpose of the Casino, and the end scene is to show that it is not just about the Skywalkers. There is a much larger world, with much larger pieces. BDT's character reinforced that also. I can't imagine Empire being released now, and people bitching. The swamp scene is so boring. Vader is a bitch who has a master (what the hell is that)? The scene in the asteroid worm was pointless. Yada Yada Yada. You guys have the OT on a pedestal and have what you want this story to be based on the books. Get over it.
Oh please, they didn’t HAVE to do that crap. It’s all pointless in the end, and if anything only gets thousands of people killed. If you have to do this, just get it over with and kill them in the opening act. Rip off Empire for all I care and have them be chased in a smaller ship.
Instead of burning 40 fricking minutes on SJW bullshite that made me want to pull my hair out, how about we spend that time with Snoke training Kylo Ren in the Force? You could have built up Snoke, gotten his backstory, and formed some sort of hatred between the two where it would have been more meaningful when Kylo kills him later in the film. I thought that was the implication at the end of TFA that Snoke was going to complete Kylo’s training, but we got none of that.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:12 am to theunknownknight
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
This thread is gonna give me cancer
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:13 am to OMLandshark
It doesn’t even matter because the movie is so terrible but yeah it was heavy handed in highlighting the diversity
Of course all the bad guys are white...shocker
but it wouldn’t have made a good movie a bad one, and it doesn’t crack the top 100 complaints I have about the movie
Of course all the bad guys are white...shocker
but it wouldn’t have made a good movie a bad one, and it doesn’t crack the top 100 complaints I have about the movie 
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:14 am to DelU249
One positive of the movie was the score by John Williams. It was amazing.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:16 am to Sentrius
skimming through this thread.....LLLLMMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:16 am to peaster68
Yeah and they reused the Death Star attack music for a bit at the end. Hasn’t been used since the original
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:17 am to Carson123987
Did you see it?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:18 am to DelU249
I have to say I’m really looking forward to the Plinkett Review on this.
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