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re: Rian Johnson Is ‘Even More Proud’ of TLJ Five Years On
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:52 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:52 am to CocomoLSU
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Let the downvotes rain down, but TLJ isn't near as bad as people pretend it is.
I walked out and thought there’s pieces of an underlying good movie there.
I didn’t hate the Rey Kylo ren storyline and despite her being a little overpowered I thought both were solid characters in a vacuum.
The problems became when he not only screwed with the whole mythology of the universe with Luke etc he also gave a huge middle finger to jj abrams and the first movie by torpedoing some big and small details that set up the trilogy
IE Rey’s parents (they had to salvage that with the dumb palpatine) snoke getting smoked, completely ignoring the c3p0 arm thing
Then they spent 30min to an hour on some random planet not freeing the human slaves but freeing the animals.
JJ may would have played it safe but we would have had a MUCH better trilogy if he took it start to finish
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 9:53 am
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:54 am to CocomoLSU
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Let the downvotes rain down, but TLJ isn't near as bad as people pretend it is.
You're either delusional or have incredibly bad taste.
The movie is bad in so many ways that there are hundreds of videos ripping it to shreds.
Luke's character is shameful
Admiral Holdo is a perfect example of how NOT to be a leader
The slow speed "chase" is dumb
The casino side plot is embarrassing
Mary Sue Rey
I could go on and on.
It's a shite movie through and through.
If it wasn't Star Wars, it would be roasted even worse.
It was a fatal shot to a recently reincarnated franchise and sucked so badly that now people actually give the prequels more credit by comparison.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:54 am to CocomoLSU
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Let the downvotes rain down, but TLJ isn't near as bad as people pretend it is.
It has the best cinematography of any movie in the Sequel Trilogy. (Although, it's not hard to top Abrams in this department.)
Posted on 8/30/22 at 9:59 am to CocomoLSU
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Let the downvotes rain down, but TLJ isn't near as bad as people pretend it is.
We're not "pretending." But you're right, it's even worse.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:00 am to CocomoLSU
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That being said, Disney fricked up majorly by not letting JJ Abrams just direct all three movies.
Disney fricked up by getting Abrams to involved in the first place. He was the safe choice as he was once thought to be Spielberg's successor (I don't think he's considered that anymore.)
His mystery box concept for The Force Awakens basically left us with a starter movie in the trilogy that spun its wheels without getting us anywhere.
Then Johnson comes along and tried to push the trilogy somewhere but ultimately made a lot of misguided choices.
Then Abrams came back, and with neither the first or second movie in the trilogy making any substantial progress, he did a shitty job rushing The Rise of Skywalker to the finish line.
Abrams was such a hollow, safe choice. He had no vision for the franchise other than a nostalgia-bait first movie. Johnson didn't help matters either. And so we're left with a shitty trilogy.
Edit: Let's face it. Abrams' bread and butter is being hack that indulges in the nostalgia of what it "feels" like to be a fan but without a distinct narrative voice all of his own.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:00 am to RLDSC FAN
Well he and his accomplice Kathleen Kennedy murdered Star Wars so he should be proud to have taken down such a massive franchise.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:03 am to RLDSC FAN
I'll say something nice about Rian Johnson... He has saved me hundreds of dollars, and I appreciate the money.
I haven't bought any movie or product from Star Wars or Disney since December 2017.
I haven't bought any movie or product from Star Wars or Disney since December 2017.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:04 am to wildtigercat93
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We’ve seen this story before, give it 15 years for this generation to grow up then you’ll start seeing memes and a fondness for the third trilogy and the overall take will shift to “ya know what, that wasn’t bad” that turns into “actually that WAS good”
I really don’t think Gen Z or the Covidians (kids today) are into Star Wars in the same way Gen X and Millennials are. I think they actually see it for what it is in that it has two great movies and a bunch of mediocre ones. They’re much more into Marvel.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:06 am to RLDSC FAN
It’s my favorite Star Wars movie, but then again, Star Wars is pretty silly.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:10 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Disney fricked up by getting Abrams to involved in the first place. He was the safe choice as he was once thought to be Spielberg's successor (I don't think he's considered that anymore.) His mystery box concept for The Force Awakens basically left us with a starter movie in the trilogy that spun its wheels without getting us anywhere.
Completely disagree here.
I’m going to Star Wars to be entertained. I’m not looking for some inner truth. The force awakens was entertaining and it had some open ended things to flesh out over 3 movies.
As I mentioned above.
It sounds like you think rian Johnson was more noble because he was trying to “push the boundaries”
I think JJ recognized what Star Wars is and hit a stand up double to kick start a franchise that had people questioning after the prequel trilogy.
Johnson managed to hit a high pop up to the outfield and get the runner on second doubled up.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:12 am to CocomoLSU
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Let the downvotes rain down, but TLJ isn't near as bad as people pretend it is.
Yes it is.
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I get why people were mad at it for the most part, but after rewatching it a while back...outside of a few gripes it's not overly bad IMO. It's well-made at least
No one’s debating if it’s well shot or not. Rian Johnson knows how to do a frame and is talented when it comes to directing, but I’m debating whether he can write (although I will begrudgingly admit Knives Out was solid).
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some parts of it are good.
Yeah, how about they stuck with the Rey and Kylo Ren stuff and made that the core instead of some bullshite plot on Monaco. There should have been dark side training with Snoke and Kylo as was strongly hinted at happening in The Force Awakens. Movie could have been great if they just sidelined everyone else and kept it 80% focused on Luke, Rey, Kylo, and Snoke.
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While it is ultimately a fairly useless movie, it doesn't "ruin" things for me like people claim it does for them (like Luke, for example).
Really? Luke trying to murder his own nephew doesn’t ruin his character?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:14 am to Cosmo
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I still question whether Rian or Kennedy was more at fault for the abortion of TLJ
It’s Kennedy because there should have been a plan for the trilogy as a whole from the start. She should have reined Rian in and made him stick to an overall narrative. There’s no way JJ planned for Palpatine to be the main villain, but he was left with his dick in his hand with the ending Johnson left him with, so he had no choice.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:17 am to Adam Banks
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I’m going to Star Wars to be entertained. I’m not looking for some inner truth. The force awakens was entertaining and it had some open ended things to flesh out over 3 movies.
Well, if ultimately we’re just talking about movies to shove popcorn into our mouths while watching, I doubt these movies would engender such high energy discussion about their flaws.
We are looking for “inner truth” in Star Wars. (As Plinkett says, you might not have noticed, but your brain did.)
We are sucked in by the adventure and action, but what endears the movie to us are the deeper themes (e.g. parent/child relationships, duty to one’s friends and duty to a higher purpose, etc.)
Now, if what you are trying to say is that you just want a retread of the same themes from the OT, I have to ask if that is itself a good use of our time and resources to keep watching remake after remake of the OT.
I feel the way about RJ as I do about Lucas and the Prequel Trilogy. They made technically flawed movies, but they at least made something with a point to them.
All Abrams wants us to do is watch his Star Wars fanfic.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:18 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Disney fricked up by getting Abrams to involved in the first place. He was the safe choice as he was once thought to be Spielberg's successor (I don't think he's considered that anymore.)
I was personally hoping for Brad Bird to direct the trilogy.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:19 am to sorantable
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It’s my favorite Star Wars movie, but then again, Star Wars is pretty silly.
Shocking someone as Woke as you would find this to be the best Star Wars movie.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:31 am to RLDSC FAN
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“When I was up at bat, I really swung at the ball.”
interesting choice of words. so you swung at the ball. I think most of us would agree you didn't come close to hitting the ball, asshat. If we could show that actual swing, this is what it would look like:
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The film, he says, is not just a Star Wars movie – it’s a movie about Star Wars, and what it means to fans (himself included). “I think it’s impossible for any of us to approach Star Wars without thinking about it as a myth that we were raised with, and how that myth, that story, baked itself into us and affected us,” Johnson explains. “The ultimate intent was not to strip away – the intent was to get to the basic, fundamental power of myth. And ultimately I hope the film is an affirmation of the power of the myth of Star Wars in our lives.”
i have no idea what this crap even means. Just make a good fricking STAR WARS movie idiot. This isn't Citizen Kane dumbfrick.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 10:39 am to RLDSC FAN
That giant turd seems longer ago than that.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:13 am to RLDSC FAN
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And ultimately I hope the film is an affirmation of the power of the myth of Star Wars in our lives.”
Yeah, it's not. At all. You fricking frick.
TLJ is a good example of why post-post-modernism, or deconstructionism, or whatever the prevailing artistic climate is called these days, is so worthless. Nothing can simply be on its own merit. Everything has to be broken down to whatever level necessary to show that there isn't any real good or evil in the world, and that everything is just shades of the same gray. That's fine if I'm watching some ponderous philosophical arthouse film, but when I'm watching fricking Star Wars, I want good guys and bad guys. I get that that offends the "artiste" in Rian Johnson, but if you can't get on board with that then don't sign up to make a Star Wars movie, asshat. Disney as a whole is ate up with this bullshite. Everything has to reveal the "truth" about racism and the patriarchy and blah blah fricking blah. Shut the frick up and quit proselytizing to me and, more importantly, to children.
TLJ is the product of an entertainment industry that believes - not without justification - that you and I will watch whatever they put out, especially if they do it under the guise of some huge property that everyone loves. They don't have to make a Star Wars movie designed to appeal to fans - you're a fan, it's your job to eat up whatever they put out, and it doesn't matter whether or not you like it because you already watched it and that's all they need. And then they will turn around and tell you if you don't like it then it's your fault because you were offended by the "truth" they showed you. If you don't like TLJ it isn't because it's a bad movie in general and a horrific Star Wars movie in particular, it's because you don't like its critique of the patriarchy and you're racist against Asians.
frick TLJ and frick anyone who defends it. I literally grew up with Star Wars - my mom saw A New Hope in theaters while she was pregnant with me - and my fandom is dead thanks to that movie.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:20 am to LB84
I hated it because he took the outline and direction JJ gave him and just said, “frick it. I don’t like that. Let’s just kill off the main antagonists in Snoke and Phasma. Oh. I don’t give a shite about Poe and Finn either. Let’s pair them off with two really annoying characters that are sure to get on the fanboys nerves.”
He comes across to me as that kid who always had to disagree with everyone or point out what everyone else is doing wrong all of the time.
I invested in villains and characters that he simply threw away. He wrote a bait-and-switch: I thought I was coming to see a continuation of TFA and got a completely different movie that didn’t feel like Star Wars at all.
He comes across to me as that kid who always had to disagree with everyone or point out what everyone else is doing wrong all of the time.
I invested in villains and characters that he simply threw away. He wrote a bait-and-switch: I thought I was coming to see a continuation of TFA and got a completely different movie that didn’t feel like Star Wars at all.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:31 am to RLDSC FAN
It's not just a bad Star Wars movie, it is a horrible movie.
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