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re: 'Pluribus' Vince Gilligan’s new sci-fi show now streaming. Spoilers Allowed
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:57 pm to Xignals
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:57 pm to Xignals
She already had issues. She's still feeling from Helen dying and everyone knowing their life.
Its pretty fricked up. Not many could cope. Majority would fall in line to be in 1 with their loved ones. But when your alone its different. Pretty compelling thoughts come with this scenario.
I would probably ask them to let me fulfill my bucket list while they try to flip me. She is at a huge disadvantage. Every person knows how to do anything and acts selfless towards the "hive"
Its pretty fricked up. Not many could cope. Majority would fall in line to be in 1 with their loved ones. But when your alone its different. Pretty compelling thoughts come with this scenario.
I would probably ask them to let me fulfill my bucket list while they try to flip me. She is at a huge disadvantage. Every person knows how to do anything and acts selfless towards the "hive"
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 10:16 pm to deeprig9
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I am confused, or missed something, E2 ended on the tarmac as she's flagging down AF1, but E3 doesn't pick it up there. Maybe later?
I have kind of already forgotten which is partly due to episode 3 being less than the first 2, but if it was the ICE hotel it was a flashback. The clock was at like 2600 something days and counting down to the event.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 10:44 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
She was a bitch before the virus. You want her character arc to be over in 3 episodes?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:00 pm to dallastigers
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I have kind of already forgotten which is partly due to episode 3 being less than the first 2, but if it was the ICE hotel it was a flashback. The clock was at like 2600 something days and counting down to the event.
Yeah I got that, it was obvious, I'm not a complete moron. Then they flashed forward again to where she's on the regular plane back to the US with her chaperone that had originally boarded AF1 and she stopped at the end of E2.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:08 am to dallastigers
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What the hive is doing the entire day across the globe has just been explained by the ones trying to keep the 13 fat and happy.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. I mean they consolidated all of the food, medicine, etc. around the world so that they could manage distribution more efficiently. That wasn’t for the 13 immune people.
They restocked Carol’s supermarket, and that was certainly for her. But that has to be fraction of the resources they’re spending used to empty shelves everywhere.
It’s kind of interesting - you have a world where there’s no longer any real service economy. There’s no money changing hands, no government/administration to speak of, no entertainment, no school.. entire swaths of industries are basically eliminated overnight. So there’s an enormous increase in available manpower for.. everything else.
Meanwhile, every human becomes equivalent to the best expert in every field / craft / trade. Oh, and they’re all operating as one mind so there’s no time lost to communication either. Nor are there any competing interests (as far as we know). They all operate with the exact same overall goals, plan, etc.
The potential productivity of that type of society is staggering when you think about it. Pampering the immune folks would be effortless for them compared to everything else they’re able to accomplish. Of course, we don’t really know what larger goals the virus has given humanity other than finding a “cure” for immunity. It’s certainly possible that once they work out their food/shelter situations they just do the bare minimum needed to survive but that seems.. unlikely.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:32 am to deeprig9
quote:I think the point was end of E2 she changed her mind about letting Zosia go become part of the harem and stops the plane. When we pick back up after the ice hotel flashbacks, Zosia is now on Carol’s plane. It’s not shown, but implied that Carol said you’re coming with me instead.
I am confused, or missed something, E2 ended on the tarmac as she's flagging down AF1, but E3 doesn't pick it up there. Maybe later?
Is that what you were asking?
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:40 am to lostinbr
The pod people are in a tough situation. They don't understand anymore what it is to be human so they gotta err on the side of caution with anything Carol says to keep her from going off and murdering gobs of them with her anger.
Carol's obviously written to be unlikeable. She was a bitch before the virus not appreciating what she had and is even more of a bitch after it, for good reason at least so far.
But she has to be an angry bitch or the premise won't work. Kim Wexler going through this shite would be a totally different show.
We'll see if the way her character inevitably changes over the episodes is interesting or not. My guess is after a while she gets accustomed to the situation and has a little fun with it until the clock starts to run down on her being forced to join the hive.
Carol's obviously written to be unlikeable. She was a bitch before the virus not appreciating what she had and is even more of a bitch after it, for good reason at least so far.
But she has to be an angry bitch or the premise won't work. Kim Wexler going through this shite would be a totally different show.
We'll see if the way her character inevitably changes over the episodes is interesting or not. My guess is after a while she gets accustomed to the situation and has a little fun with it until the clock starts to run down on her being forced to join the hive.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 2:42 am
Posted on 11/15/25 at 4:44 am to deeprig9
Yes.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 5:03 am to Diseasefreeforall
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We'll see if the way her character inevitably changes over the episodes is interesting or not. My guess is after a while she gets accustomed to the situation and has a little fun with it until the clock starts to run down on her being forced to join the hive.
We have seen her backstory and her lose her partner. Her character is established, but even with all that, the significance of what’s happened, a global crisis and effectively extinction level event, she is still carrying on pretty much like this is just a bad day.
She seems to be stuck in full Karen mode. Trying to find someone with a science background who can “fix this“. It should be obvious to her that finding a remote group of people with CDC / NASA level talents that will somehow save humanity - isn’t going to happen.
I like the twist of benevolent body snatchers who have the collective knowledge if not understanding of the people they are inhabiting.
Probably her best next step is to figure out if there’s a way to “bring back“ people who have been infected. Which will be tricky because they will know what has happened as soon as it does.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:28 pm to lostinbr
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What the hive is doing the entire day across the globe has just been explained by the ones trying to keep the 13 fat and happy.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. I mean they consolidated all of the food, medicine, etc. around the world so that they could manage distribution more efficiently. That wasn’t for the 13 immune people.
That’s not what I said. The reasoning and actions across the globe have just really been explained to us by the ones in the hive with or around the 13 we have met in the show to date. I didn’t say it was all for the 13.
Our view point or the narrative of their actions and goals have been relatively controlled just like Carol’s. Since the morning after the incident outside of some continued cleanup and maintenance moments like when the dirty “pirate” walked thru her town or Carol finds the group having seizures or the empty Sprouts in Albuquerque we have not independently seen much around the globe that the hive didn’t set up or know about in advance (like the meeting in Spain). We have been given an extremely narrow scope of the hive’s actions across the globe which I think will be expanded a little with the immune guy Carol called in upcoming episodes including why they didn’t know about him at first.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:39 pm to deeprig9
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Yeah I got that, it was obvious, I'm not a complete moron.
Lighten up Francis… To me it was just as obvious that Carol changed her mind and got her back, and the show just skipped to her being back with Carol on the plane. I was just thinking by your comment that you hadn’t been able to see the episode much past the opening and just asked the question.
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I am confused, or missed something, E2 ended on the tarmac as she's flagging down AF1, but E3 doesn't pick it up there. Maybe later?
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 11/15/25 at 1:38 pm to dallastigers
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That’s not what I said. The reasoning and actions across the globe have just really been explained to us by the ones in the hive with or around the 13 we have met in the show to date. I didn’t say it was all for the 13.
Ah OK. I re-read your post and yeah - I just misunderstood what you were saying.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 1:40 pm to dallastigers
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we have not independently seen much around the globe that the hive didn’t set up or know about in advance
This is an interesting point. We see the great series where Ana goes from pulling a body from a car to showing up at Carol's house, but other than that we don't have much of an idea what the hive is doing.
We know bits and pieces like emptying the zoos and consolidating food and fuel, but what about the rest of the world the rest of the time?
We can assume there are those who are prepping and cooking food, those who are making sure services (electricity, sewage, oil production, etc) are still running, etc but if you have access to ~7B people who now all have the same abilities (excepting physical limitations), no longer want things (specific types of new clothes, vehicles computers, etc) and no longer have a need to learning a basic education... that's a lot of bodies with a lot of time on their hand (no need for schools, advertising, police, writers, media, individual homes, etc).
So with all those bodies and all that time, how are decisions made? What else is the hive's goal (aside from overcoming the rare immunity
)? I'm assuming procreation will be decided by some sort fitness standard, but at what age does someone join the hive? How does it work for an infant or toddler whose brains are barely developed? Will new children even be named?
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:16 pm to Bard
Trying to think how to say this, I don’t think the hive operates on their own. Putting 6 billion minds together and hoping for anything other than utter chaos is crazy. Something is controlling the hive. Me thinks same aliens that sent the message.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:09 pm to RLDSC FAN
Watching E1, it’s clearly bacterial which is why they’re multiplying on agar via plaque assays
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:10 am to lostinbr
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Meanwhile, every human becomes equivalent to the best expert in every field / craft / trade. Oh, and they’re all operating as one mind so there’s no time lost to communication either
Yes, they’ll be a very valuable commodity on the intergalactic slave market.
My fan theory is the immune carry one simple strand of mutant DNA carried naturally by the aliens.
The collective (or a very small percentage of members with strong minds) isn’t trying to assimilate Carol, it’s trying to find the one in a billion DNA marker, in mental disguise so to speak, to break the spell before the slavers arrrive.
In the meantime the weakest minds of the collective are compelled to do whatever Carol wants due to same DNA marker that separates by .0000001% earth human, from alien masters.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/16/25 at 12:27 pm to keks tadpole
There's all manner of ways this can pan out, but I think most of us think that the Hive Mind are just the ground work for what's to come later. There was a line where they said even THEY don't know what they are, indicating someone else made them, for a specific purpose. And to ensure the least resistance, they've been made to be the most cooperating, friendly, agreeable 'invaders' possible.
Until they aren't.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 2:23 pm to keks tadpole
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Yes, they’ll be a very valuable commodity on the intergalactic slave market.
My fan theory is the immune carry one simple strand of mutant DNA carried naturally by the aliens.
The collective (or a very small percentage of members with strong minds) isn’t trying to assimilate Carol, it’s trying to find the one in a billion DNA marker, in mental disguise so to speak, to break the spell before the slavers arrrive.
In the meantime the weakest minds of the collective are compelled to do whatever Carol wants due to same DNA marker that separates by .0000001% earth human, from alien masters.
She said in the ice scene she has eggs frozen, which means the hive knows that, which means they'd get the genetic markers from those eggs, which might end up being the case. There'd be no other reason for the writers to inject that line into the dialog unless those eggs come into play later.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 3:49 pm to deeprig9
It's OK. I like most of the set up, with some annoyances at the actual execution. I wish it would try to be less funny that it's trying to be.
Is that really Carol's partner (the agent)? They haven't outright shown it to be the case - other than it seems to be the only soft spot she has.
The meet up with all the normies was just a constant stream of "I can't believe she's not saying x or y or z". It's just handled so much differently than I would imagine myself to handle it.
Also, when the Mauritanian playboy guy said, at the airport, that he was "famished", we then cut to them all the way out in the Bilbao countryside where they are waiting to be served a fancy meal. Sort of dumb.
Then again, I don't have Gilligan Hagiography Syndrome. I thought Breaking Bad was a solid 3 out of 4 (many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as perfect as people act like on here, one of them being how poorly the Saul character was developed which is why I have never had even the slightest urge to watch BCS, which I can imagine is also highly over-rated).
I've never even heard of the main actress before this show.
Back to the over-humor - it's starting to seem almost like a feint to distract from how presumably dark things are going to have to get. I REALLY hope it doesn't go all dark but still try to maintain this level of whimsy.
Is that really Carol's partner (the agent)? They haven't outright shown it to be the case - other than it seems to be the only soft spot she has.
The meet up with all the normies was just a constant stream of "I can't believe she's not saying x or y or z". It's just handled so much differently than I would imagine myself to handle it.
Also, when the Mauritanian playboy guy said, at the airport, that he was "famished", we then cut to them all the way out in the Bilbao countryside where they are waiting to be served a fancy meal. Sort of dumb.
Then again, I don't have Gilligan Hagiography Syndrome. I thought Breaking Bad was a solid 3 out of 4 (many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as perfect as people act like on here, one of them being how poorly the Saul character was developed which is why I have never had even the slightest urge to watch BCS, which I can imagine is also highly over-rated).
I've never even heard of the main actress before this show.
Back to the over-humor - it's starting to seem almost like a feint to distract from how presumably dark things are going to have to get. I REALLY hope it doesn't go all dark but still try to maintain this level of whimsy.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 4:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I thought Breaking Bad was a solid 3 out of 4 (many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as perfect as people act like on here
Fair statement
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many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as perfect as people act like on here, one of them being how poorly the Saul character was developed
Clown statement
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which is why I have never had even the slightest urge to watch BCS, which I can imagine is also highly over-rated
Clown with Lasers Coming Out of his Eyes statement
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