re: Official Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5 Discussion Thread

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it doesn’t make sense given the extinction level events that have occurred.

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Only half of all people experienced this as some sort of event. The blipped came back as if they just closed their eyes for a quick second and reopened them to find the world very different.

No matter what either blipped or not blipped, people were still free to hold their prejudices. I don’t see how someone’s sister or neighbor or boss disappearing and coming back would cure the anybody’s dislike of someone else. It may force some people to bond with others they may not have considered before, but this isnt universal.

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This was an opportunity to justify that decision. As an actor, Mackie could have pulled it off. But instead, Falcon has been lowered to a black man who is a victim of racial injustice. It’s terrible.

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Sam Wilson does not even indicate he feels this way. He feels bad for Isaiah, who was absolutely screwed over by circumstances and the racial climate of the 1900s.

Sam has not said anything about being a victim in regards to the shield or Captain America mantle. His reasoning for giving it up was never stated as because of race. His dislike of Walker is not because they gave it to a white man. I don’t see how Falcon is acting like a victim, he has been fairly positive about his own circumstances.

Saw an Onion tweet and had to share with you fine folks

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The Onion
@TheOnion
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Man Prefers Comic Books That Don’t Insert Politics Into Stories About Government-Engineered Agents Of War

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How fricking audacious of the two of them for never considering race when offering the mantle of Captain America.

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It's really not that complicated. It shows that Steve and Bucky didn't view Sam as different or unequal and good for them for it. They never considered race because they are good people and just saw Sam for who he is. That's not what the apology was about. what Bucky apologized for was not understanding that, because clearly not everyone thinks that way, Sam would have different experiences that may affect his decision to take on such a huge responsibility in becoming that symbol. He's simply apologizing for being naive, for lack of a better word, as to how his friend was affected by experiences he would never have.

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so uhhh what's the deal with sharon carter?

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Someone should tap that. Steve just left her... hanging.

heel turn would also be kind of dumb...why would she have been initially helping them?

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so uhhh what's the deal with sharon carter?

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I assume leveraged into working for Ross or someone like that. She may see Sam as a way out of her arrangement.

Easy answer would be that Sharon is a skrull infiltrator and it sets up Secret Invasion.

Her motivation for helping Sam and WS take out the serum scientist was so Sam would vouch for her and she would be pardoned and hence get back her old gig. She called someone right afterwards so she could be working for Ross. So if it really is her I’m betting she is a double agent. Just can’t she her breaking bad.

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It's really not that complicated. It shows that Steve and Bucky didn't view Sam as different or unequal and good for them for it. They never considered race because they are good people and just saw Sam for who he is. That's not what the apology was about. what Bucky apologized for was not understanding that, because clearly not everyone thinks that way, Sam would have different experiences that may affect his decision to take on such a huge responsibility in becoming that symbol. He's simply apologizing for being naive, for lack of a better word, as to how his friend was affected by experiences he would never have.

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WHat a crock of shite.

There's nothing to apologize for. Steve and Bucky don't care about someone being black, but the blacks seem to care about themselves being black. That's the problem in this country right now. No one gives a shite that your black. Just be a good person. It's not hard at all for good people to coexist.
No one cared that Sam was black when Steve gave him the Shield. Who the hell was thinking "well Sam isn't white so he can't be Cap"? The Shield represents more than the person behind it, and that's always been it's theme, and the theme of Captain America.


What i have a problem with Isiah is that he blames what the gov't did to him b/c he's black, when he could have been black, white, asian, hispanic, whatever, they would have treated him the exact same way. Cap was gone in the ice and they only had one successful person adhere to the serum. Of course they were going to do tests and shite on him to try to reproduce what happened. THey weren't hiding him b/c he was black. They didn't want anyone to know he existed so they could steal him and make more soldiers.

all that being said, i like that Sam said "Steve didn't put you in jail". If there were more people like Sam in this world, we wouldn't have the problems we have with race. WHen we all stop seeing color, we'll all be better off.

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I agree with the first part, but not with the second part. Sorry, if you think the US gov't would have treated a White person like Isiah then you're naive.

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So after Steve exposes and defeats Hydra/Germany, and we start working on trying to make a serum, and we finally do and have one be successful, you think they were going to prance the lone successful guy around like he's the new Captain America b/c hes' white? Those guys that took the serum never existed from the moment they were given the serum.

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all that being said, i like that Sam said "Steve didn't put you in jail". If there were more people like Sam in this world, we wouldn't have the problems we have with race. WHen we all stop seeing color, we'll all be better off.

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in the race baiting of this series, i'm always appreciated how Sam's take is written. he didn't view the shield in the lens of race, because the shield represented a friend and good man in Steve.

his sister, while misguided, has an honest view of the shield and what it means to her. "they don't care about me. i don't care about their mascot."


some people (myself included) forget Marvel is writing their interpretation of a fictional view of America. not how America actually is.

If Sam took up the shield as captain america in the first episode, 99% of real world populace would have been happy with it. he's a great character and i've been invested in him sin CA:WS. Disney wrote the story of an America they don't think would have been ok with that. That America only exists in their own minds.


ETA: i don't know Mackie's personal take on things, but he's always come off pretty evenhanded about it. Chadwick Boseman actually has some really great articles about how he dealt with race where I really appreciated him even more after his death.