re: Official Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5 Discussion Thread

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the US government ran a bunch of psyops on rich, white people at harvard in the 60s. so acting like Tuskegee is the lone blight in that area would be ignorant.

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Yep. I think it would be harder to find a group of people the US government wouldn't (doesn't?) experiment on.

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The Tuskegee experiments are not the only time the US government illegally experimented on people

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Yet it was still event they referenced and it did happen because they were black. Isaiah has every right to be mad because of it.

But now that I have you, you finally gonna tell us how Isaiah was getting to Sokovia? You ignored it yet again.

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but, man, you can just read threads here and see that your sentiment is not as universal as it should be. from either direction. I will freely admit that some people see race as an explanation for everything at this time, and that's just nonsense. and it certainly gets eyeroll inducing at times. to a hammer, everything is a nail. but to counter that by implying that there are no nails at all is just as silly.

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when i say no one gives a shite that your black, the word no one applies to civil human beings, not pieces of shite. There are pieces of shite of every color. Don't worry about the <1%.

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but my point was that Bucky was just seeing he didn't understand his friends perspective totally, and that he spent the first part of the show guilting Sam into picking up the shield without considering it from his perspective. he was being, you know, a good friend. he wasn't apologizing for segregation or some shite.

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That's fine and all, but it did not come off that way considering all the talk of race throughout the episode. Why again would Bucky need to consider Sam's race in all of this, b/c that's what it sounded like he apologized for?
Sam said it best when he said he thought he was doing the right thing when he gave up the shield, and that Bucky needs to understand that. Him giving it up has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he'd face different situations b/c he's black. He didn't feel he could ever live up to Steve's Captain America, even though he knows that Cap is more than the person behind the sheild/uniform. Sam felt that no one could live up to Steve's name, and no one should try. Now that some idiot tried, Sam realizes he needs to do it so another idiot doesn't come along like Walker did and tries to be the new Cap.

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For example, why was Ant-Man and the Pyms working on the quantum tunnel and cracking jokes while an invasion was going on?

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This actually does make sense, because the invasion happened in a country still completely cut off from the rest of the world, Lang was under house arrest, and the "better" suit had been taken by the US government. That's the thing. Marvel usually explains these plot holes in a way that makes sense.

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At the end of the day, these are movies/tv shows about super heroes that both for logistical reasons and to tell these stories, you have to not critically think every damn thing in these.

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All I said is his backstory doesn't make sense given that he has been completely uninvolved until now. It doesn't make sense for someone who only cares about himself and his family to completely ignore situations that would absolutely have affected him or his family in a terrible way.

ETA: I also said that if he gets involved in this current storyline to assist Falcon and Winter Soldier, then his backstory will make even less sense. Haven't seen the finale yet so I don't know if that happened or not.

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I never said Isaiah was going to get to Sokovia, although it certainly would not have been difficult for him to do so.

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You said extinction level avengers movies. Sokovia was one of them. Or you can pick Wakanda. Please provide his method of travel since you’re so convinced he could do it.

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Here we see another tactic often used by those with inferior intellects: When you can't discuss a topic honestly, simply change the discussion to fit a scenario you believe to be impossible even when it isn't actually relevant.

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Inferior intellect would be an improvement for you. I discussed the topic at hand and referenced a previous topic that you ignored repeatedly or gave nonsensical answers like “he could just do it.”

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And as I said, he easily could have made it to New York. You keep trying to mention other extinction-level events because the obvious answer isn't convenient to your ridiculous question.

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We pointed out that the battle was shorter than the 3 hours it would have taken to drive to NYC, assuming he spent no time getting his non-existent super suit together.

I only bring up the other movies because I’m referring to this post from earlier. I wonder what low-intellect individual posted this?

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Even if I believe all of that, I'm also supposed to believe this super powered dude just sat by while the entire world, and his whole family with it, was going to end in any of the Avengers movies? These were all very public situations. Even if he hates the USA, he hates it enough to let the whole world die to an alien invasion?

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The unambiguous "in any of the Avengers movies" made you somehow jump to the conclusion that I meant "he would have shown up in every Avengers film."

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You haven’t provided any plausible way he would have been in a single movie yet. You even ignored it in the post you replied to.

You did double-down though.

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Still doesn't make sense that he'd just completely peace out during global extinction events

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If he wanted to have been involved in any of the extinction-level events, he would have been involved.

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How? 3 hour drive to a fight that lasted 1 hour. It’s tough math for someone from Alabama, but you should be able to explain this.

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Simply contacting the US government would have absolutely gotten him there.

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The one he was hiding from?

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The one he was hiding from?

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Yes. We're talking about global extinction level events. What good does hiding do in that situation?

But hey, let's take the completely ridiculous stance that he can't possibly get anywhere on his own because...poor and black? Honestly not sure where you're going with that argument really. Let's also take the nonsensical stance that he wouldn't call the federal government when the entire world, and his own life, was in danger.

Now we get to the point that we have to think about other things. Like the fact that Tony Stark was searching out super powered people. If that is true, then for this guy to have never have been involved we have to assume he never even got involved in his own neighborhood, or his own city, at all. If he had, Tony would have figured that out. I mean, he figured out a teenager was fighting crime in a ridiculous jumpsuit with his face covered. So, we either assume that 1. Tony did find him, and therefore Isaiah had his contact information and could have gotten ahold of him, or 2. Isaiah hates his own neighbors so much that he never got involved in stopping crime in his own area.

There's just no scenario where his backstory makes sense.