re: Official BLACK SAILS Re-watch/1st Watch Thread - Current watch: S3, EP6 to S3, EP8

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It definitely came as a surprise

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Definitely surprising, but looking back on it in hindsight the clues were there. We were blinded by Max, Barlow and others.

Great show.

Also, an interesting real life tidbit on Jack Rackham. Jack is definitely my favorite on the show and it's lead me down a deep dive of all things Pirate and especially Jack.

I'm reading a great book called, Under The Black Flag. Jack (as quartermaster) actually challenged Vane about attacking a Man of War when Vane had ordered a retreat. After re-treating the crew sided with Jack, labeled Vane a coward and kicked him from their ship, making Jack the captain.

I'll respond to comments later today, but want to get my thoughts in here now since the discussion just opened. Note: I still have to watch E6, so these comments are just for E4&5:

One thing that confuses me is the importance of the fort. It’s an island, right? A relatively small one at that. So sure, the fort protects the harbor, but anybody wanting to attack can also just get onto the island literally anywhere else and not have to deal with the island’s main line of defense.

I also didn’t understand Flint’s point about how he has the advantage with the ship where it is and he “may never get that advantage again.” Uh, you’re in a spot where the cannons in the fort can’t reach you but your cannons can reach the fort. And that’s because the fort can’t support cannons to the side where Flint’s ship is. So you can literally get back to that same spot very easily. I get Flint’s plan to destroy the fort/Vane, but that didn’t make sense to me.

Oh look, Eleanor is championing Vane once again despite him being bad for pretty much everyone and everything. I feel like I post this every single week. And her solution is to sit down and talk, as if she has any sort of control over Vane (outside of the little control he allows her to have). God, she’s fricking stupid.

It seems a little too easy how Max got Jack a new crew. “I’ve underestimated my last whore.” Jack is so awesome.

Billy’s back!

I totally forgot about Thomas Hamilton’s idea to pardon all the pirates and have them become loyal citizens who will be farmers and shite. What a stupid plan. They are pirates for a reason, and following order and the law isn’t the reason.

Thomas also makes reference to Thomas’s “salon.” Hmmm.

I forgot just how bluntly they talk about Mrs. Barlow’s whoredom. Lord Hamilton is all like “You’ve done enough to tarnish Thomas’s name with all your whoring around…keep your mouth and your legs shut, you sloot.” It’s just so plain and factual.

Pastor Lambrick is so hard up for Mrs. Barlow that he can’t even sleep. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal, dude.

E4 ending with Flint ordering “Fire” was awesome.





Oh look, the flashback tells us that the Nassau Governor had his wife and infant murdered by pirates. Sweet plan to pardon those assholes, Thomas.

Anne brings jack and Max into the same bed, then gets mad when they want to bone each other. Typical woman bullshite. But at least she recognizes it and backs off a little.

The scenes with Silver and Billy and Randall are hilarious. Silver is trying his damndest to convince Billy not to turn on Flint. Silver's whole arc/plot is so entertaining this time around.

I forgot that we learn about Flint being gay (or I guess bi) this early in the show. I thought it came much later. Also noticed Flint has an earring in only his left ear. I guess that eventually changed between pirate times and the 1980s when it moved to the right ear when you were gay.

So Flint is gone from the Royal Navy because of his shenanigans with the Hamiltons. Pussy remains undefeated as always.

The flashbacks with Flint are so awesome in terms of character building. His journey from a respected navy officer to a pirate is fantastic.

S5 also ends on a high note with Vane lunging in from nowhere. That made me jump off my couch a little.

S2E6


Even Eleanor isn't stupid enough to believe that Charles will hand over the girl. It was smart of him to request a trade for the Spanish MoW though.

Oh look, Eleanor is using her sneetch to try to control Charles. Again. I wonder what she thinks he will do when he wakes up and finds out that she stole the Ashe girl from him. I assume his loyalties to her only go so far.

Also, Vane assumes England wants no part of Nassau anymore, but Billy told the crew the navy is station less than 40 miles away.

Anne fricking Bonny just wrecking shop and causing all sorts of issues. Of course. And Max will protect her. Of course.



What's cool for me on this rewatch is that I have forgotten some of the happenings of people. Like I legit don't remember how the Billy Bones story ends. I know I will eventually remember when I see it, but for now I'm enjoying where that is headed.

Still love Silver having his hand in everything behind the scenes and pulling everyone's strings to advance things forward. It's also funny how things have sort of done a complete 180 and now Silver is Flint's only real friend and ally.

Jack fricking Rackham pulling a fast one on ole Captain Harcourt. How's that slice in your throat, bitch? And then he frees the crew and gets them to join his side to gain the numbers over Harcourt's crew? Genius move. Jack has top-shelf intelligence. It was also hilarious how happy he was to not have women nagging at him for a change and enjoy some peace and quiet on the water.

It seemed like a LOT happened in this episode:
- Flint/Charles fight.
- Flint, Charles, Eleanor, Richard, Miranda discuss the future of Nassau and Abigail Ashe.
- Is this the first time some of them actually hear Flint's plans (i.e. Thomas Hamilton's grandiose ideas) for the future of this place?
- Anne kills one of Flint's crew (and a whore), which will cause problems.
- Anne also found out about the gold, which will cause problems.
- Max and Anne get even closer. I assume Max is trying to gain her as a protector since she seems to have left Jack.
- Jack takes his first prize.
- Jack makes his first head-to-head fight with a pirate captain.
- Jack almost doubles his crew's size.
- Billy is back with the crew and has British pardons on his side.
- Billy also tells everyone that the British Navy is stationed only 40 miles away.
- We also still don't know exactly how Billy ended up in the water.
- Hornigold is mad about the new plan and plans on taking the captaincy from Flint (and retaking the fort).
- Eleanor kidnaps Abigail.

That's a lot of stuff crammed into less than an hour's worth of show.

I’m still an episode behind so I’m hoping to watch E6 tonight once we get to the camp and get the kids settled.

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Also, an interesting real life tidbit on Jack Rackham. Jack is definitely my favorite on the show and it's lead me down a deep dive of all things Pirate and especially Jack.

I'm reading a great book called, Under The Black Flag. Jack (as quartermaster) actually challenged Vane about attacking a Man of War when Vane had ordered a retreat. After re-treating the crew sided with Jack, labeled Vane a coward and kicked him from their ship, making Jack the captain.

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Nice. I finished up Treasure Island, which honestly wasn't as good as I remember it being from reading when I was younger, but I might jump into something like that next. Just reading all these guys Wikipedia pages is interesting honestly

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I finished E6 last night as well. My favorite scenes were Jack and his predicament. I will say I did enjoy the other captain of the Goliath even just for the brief team we knew ye

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"Goliath. Your ship is named after the greatest disappointment in warfare."

Finished EP6 last night as well. Great episode.

Anne Bonny gone wild. I forgot about her killing the hooker, that was kind of messed up.

They/Eleanor need to stop trying to appeal to some good side of Vane. Vane does not want the same thing as them. Dude is a pirate through and through, he doesn't care about legitimizing Nassau, he wants it to stay the same. But also for someone not easily fooled, he's kind of easily fooled by Eleanor. Dude should have saw through her coming to sleep with him.

I’m this thread I think it seems appropriate that we call it booty.

Booty is undefeated. Aargh.

Yeah I’ve been out of town so I haven’t watch any for this week yet. Hope to knock out at least a couple tonight.

With this next watch schedule do you think we should do just the S2 finale and S3 premiere? Or go the typical three episodes. There's a lot to take in in those two episodes.