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re: Nyong'o: "Very little time in the Odyssey book is spent in the perspective of a woman"

Posted on 7/6/26 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 5:03 pm to
That’s because it’s a story about men doing men shite. Not some 21st century poofter piece that’s dripping with THE MESSAGE.

frick this gay earth.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 5:11 pm to
Well that’s the overall critique of what we know so far. It’s not The Odyssey, it’s based on a feminist subversion of the story and once you pull one brick they feel you’re allowed to pull as many as you want while simultaneously screaming at people who are telling you the house is going to collapse.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 5:40 pm to
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just another dumb person getting outraged over nothing
He's just pointing out that she's wrong. You're the one who seems upset about it.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 5:57 pm to
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OK. So Helen’s beauty sparks a war.

Athena is a strategic goddess guiding Odysseus.

Penelope embodies clever loyalty.

Circe turns men into pigs, which frankly is still the most realistic female character arc in literature.

Calypso traps the hero on an island for seven years.

Cassandra can literally see the future but nobody listens, making her the first woman in recorded history to experience a meeting.

The Sirens weaponize music.

Nausicaa saves Odysseus when he washes up naked and useless.

Andromache gives one of the most devastating anti-war speeches in the Iliad.

Hecuba is basically the emotional wreckage of empire in human form.

Aphrodite starts half the problems in Western civilization by being hot and petty.

Hera is running divine opposition research.

Thetis gets Zeus involved because Achilles is having a workplace dispute.

But apart from Helen, Athena, Penelope, Circe, Calypso, Cassandra, the Sirens, Nausicaa, Andromache, Hecuba, Aphrodite, Hera, and Thetis...

WHAT HAS HOMER EVER DONE TO GIVE FEMALE CHARACTERS ATTENTION?
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:02 pm to
The second response to that tweet
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Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:11 pm to
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Think that says a little more about you than her.


Ok mensa, give us your interpretation of this:

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"When you read the Iliad and the Odyssey, very little time is spent from the perspective of the women. It's told from a very masculine side of things. The Odyssey takes a lot of time to really consider things from the female perspective.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by Neutral Underground
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 11:44 pm to
That's because a Man wrote it.
Posted by wesfau
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:22 am to
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Ok mensa, give us your interpretation of this:


I wasn't interpreting anything. Just saying that this:


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the only reason I can imagine she said it is as a complaint and something they needed to "correct."


Shows you to be someone of limited imagination.
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:51 am to
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Shows you to be someone of limited imagination.


It just shows that I can read, and that I read the rest of her comments and didn't cherry pick one sentence. I find that to be quite convenient when forming a reasonable decision about what someone is trying to say.

You're obviously more comfortable ignoring what she actually said and would rather talk about me instead. What do you think that shows you to be?
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:01 am to
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He's just pointing out that she's wrong. You're the one who seems upset about it.


Again, watch the clip. She's simply stating the difference between the book and the movie. The guy is only using a partial quote.

Half of the replies are stating "Duh" and "no shite" and "Because it was written by a man." So she's stating the obvious but I guess also completely wrong
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:10 am to
The quote you were responding to pointed out that no, she was wrong. The whole story is told through Athena.

Seriously, don't act like she's doing anything other than speaking typical left wing drivel.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:20 am to
Yale arts degree grad had never even heard of The Odyssey before but now she’s lecturing Homer?

This is Rachel Zegler territory. Cope.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:32 am to
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The quote you were responding to pointed out that no, she was wrong. The whole story is told through Athena.


Very little of the story is told through a woman's perspective, that is a fact. Much much less through her characters perspective. That is a fact. I'm not saying the things he said aren't true, but women influencing the story does not mean that it is from their perspective.

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Seriously, don't act like she's doing anything other than speaking typical left wing drivel.


I'm sure she does speak a ton of left wing drivel. The second video might be that, I don't know, I'm not going to watch it. But let's also not act like he's not taking her quote out of contect just to get people mad. Taking half of a quote tends to do that. Especially when the next half of her quote would actually mean that Nolans movie is actually closer to his opinion.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:33 am to
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Yale arts degree grad had never even heard of The Odyssey before but now she’s lecturing Homer?


She's not lecturing Homer you dork

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This is Rachel Zegler territory. Cope.


Unlike you, I'm not an 80 year old man obsessing over kids movies. Try again.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:52 am to
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Very little of the story is told through a woman's perspective
Go read it again. Athena appears throughout the story. She's the one who praises Odysseus and helps him to succeed.
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But let's also not act like he's not taking her quote out of contect just to get people mad.
I don't think it really is out of context, seeing as where her head is at, as well as so many of her peers. Some instances are more aggressive than others, but it's the same message over and over.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:52 am to
She absolutely was lecturing Homer as the author of the Odyssey. What the hell was your problem? She’s questioning him why there aren’t more females in a male centric story. Oh, but there are plenty of females, she’s just too stupid to understand. Plus, she’s not Helen of Troy.

What the hell would it matter if I am 80 years old? That doesn’t have any impact on how trash Ziegler‘s Snow White movie was. These clowns absolutely ruined the foundational project on which all of Disney was built.

Yes, I know because I was there! fricktard.
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 10:56 am to
This is going to be a disaster.

...and it should. And the blame lies 100% with Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:02 am to
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Go read it again.




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Athena appears throughout the story. She's the one who praises Odysseus and helps him to succeed.


Sure. That doesn't mean it's from her perspective. Like I said, there is a difference between influence and perspective. That's obviously going to be different with the film.

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I don't think it really is out of context, seeing as where her head is at, as well as so many of her peers. Some instances are more aggressive than others, but it's the same message over and over.


Yea I agree for the most part. Just not with this particular quote where she is describing the movie that is about to come out. hence why you have have the board saying "No shite" and the other half saying "How dare she".

I hate using ChatGPT but just for a different POV that the two of us...

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How much of the odyssey is spent in the perspective of a woman?

Here's a rough breakdown:

Direct female perspective

There are relatively few passages where the narrator fully adopts a woman's internal point of view in the modern literary sense. Ancient Greek epics generally don't stay inside a character's mind for long. However, several women receive substantial narrative focus:

Penelope: ~8–12% of the poem
She appears throughout the second half.
We see her conversations, grief, cleverness, and famous strategy of weaving and unweaving the shroud.
She drives much of the suspense once Odysseus returns to Ithaca.
Nausicaa: ~3–4%
Books 6–8 spend considerable time on her meeting with the shipwrecked Odysseus.
The narrative follows her activities before Odysseus appears.
Circe and Calypso: ~4–5% combined
While much of their story is seen through Odysseus, the poem gives both women extended dialogue and motivations.
Other notable female-centered sections

Several other women have memorable scenes:

Athena (arguably the poem's second most important character)
Arete
Eurycleia
Helen

These scenes often revolve around their decisions, advice, or recognition of Odysseus.

Overall estimate

If you include episodes where a woman is the primary focus of the action or dialogue, roughly 20–30% of the poem is centered on female characters. If you're asking specifically about passages told from a woman's perspective or where her concerns dominate the narrative, it's closer to 15–20%.


Nyongo: "Very little time"
ChatGPT: "Relatively few passages"

15-20%. More if you want to branch away from a perspective discussion.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:12 am to
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What the hell would it matter if I am 80 years old? That doesn’t have any impact on how trash Ziegler‘s Snow White movie was. These clowns absolutely ruined the foundational project on which all of Disney was built.



I don't give two shits about Rachel Ziegler and Snow White you goof. And yes, it's weird for an 80 year old to be obsessed over a casting of a kids movie that you were never going to watch even if they casted someone good anyway. Everyone knows it was a dumbass casting and I'm glad it failed, but there was no way as an adult going to be in a Disney thread melting over a movie I'm never going to see. It's weird. You're weird. But you and guys like Jay Are are made for each other with yalls one track mind.

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es, I know because I was there! fricktard.


For the 1937 premiere of Snow White, I know, I can tell.
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