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re: Nyong'o: "Very little time in the Odyssey book is spent in the perspective of a woman"
Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:17 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:17 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:The whole story is basically a bunch of guys whose actions are being watched by the gods like it's their favorite TV show. The primary observer is Athena. That is precisely the 'perspective' that the story is told from. They are the only characters who can see and know everything.
Like I said, there is a difference between influence and perspective
If not, who then? Certainly not Odysseus. How would he know what the gods were thinking and doing? Homer? Then we get to have the same kind of semantic argument about author vs. character perspective.
Nah, Lupita is a retard and there is no reason for you to turn this into a pointless, semantic argument.
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:23 am to iwyLSUiwy
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it's weird for an 80 year old to be obsessed over a casting of a kids movie that you were never going to watch
Making a comment, having opinions doesn’t equate to being obsessed.
You clearly have problems gauging nuance.
And the odyssey isn’t a kid’s movie, is it?
Respect your elders, kiddo.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:31 am to blueboy
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If not, who then? Certainly not Odysseus. How would he know what the gods were thinking and doing? Homer? Then we get to have the same kind of semantic argument about author vs. character perspective.
Obviously the majority is told from just a narrator, but Odysseus is certainly one of them. Numerous books are through his first person POV.
Telemachus is another. The first portion of the book is his POV.
Penelope some. The Swineherd too.
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Nah, Lupita is a retard and there is no reason for you to turn this into a pointless, semantic argument.
Ahh so when I actually give an exact percentage it becomes a pointless argument
Got it. Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:36 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Odysseus
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Telemachus
quote:Those are characters who are talked about, not POV narrators.
Penelope
quote:So, author vs. character perspective.
the majority is told from just a narrator
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I actually give an exact percentage
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ChatGPT
what?This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:43 am to blueboy
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Those are characters who are talked about, not POV narrators.
Ok maybe you should read it again. Hell some of the more famous parts of the book Odysseus is narrating his trial and his dealing with Cyclops, Circe, etc. Direct first person account/perspective, not just talked about characters
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So, author vs. character perspective
Yes. Did I say somewhere that it didn't have a narrator/author?
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/7/26 at 11:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
There is only one omniscient character in the book who is constantly commenting on the situation and it's Athena. I don't know what else to tell you.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:08 pm to blueboy
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There is only one omniscient character in the book who is constantly commenting on the situation and it's Athena
If you ignore the parts I mentioned, sure.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:16 pm to Jay Are
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Emily Wilson's translation is a translation. It is in no way a feminist remaining.
You are right, it is A translation. Of all the translations out there, this is certainly one of them...
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:None of the characters you mentioned have an omniscient view of the story and Athena can see everything they do.
If you ignore the parts I mentioned, sure.
Lemme make this easier for you. I don't even need 100%. What percentage of the perspective would you say is from Athena?
If it's more than 0%, Lupita is wrong and you can stop struggling to find a shill angle.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:24 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
We are fatigued from you people. You're beyond exhausting.
why would anyone pay to this dog shite is beyond me.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:30 pm to blueboy
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None of the characters you mentioned have an omniscient view of the story and Athena can see everything they do.
That is correct. I skipped over the omniscient part of that. Why would it have to be omniscient though? Just because Odysseus recounting his POV in the book doesn't change the fact that it is from his POV.
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What percentage of the perspective would you say is from Athena?
I don't know. She's obviously an important character.
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If it's more than 0%, Lupita is wrong and you can stop struggling to find a shill angle.
I guess I'm missing something here. How does anything over 0% make it not "Very little"? Is say 5% not very little? Genuinely asking because I guess I'm not following.
And why why not reply all the comments in the post calling her dumb for saying this because she is stating the obvious? Which would be disagreeing with the original tweet. Like this that got 22 upvotes...
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Yeah because the story is about Odysseus and his journey to get back to his family/homeland.
It’s like someone complaining that Saving Private Ryan doesn’t have very much perspective from the First Lady.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Dude, I said you could stop looking for shill angles, not do it more.
But it's not very little , so it's moot. Lupita is clearly wrong.
quote:Okay, you've got me there. I just re-read and saw she actually said 'very little'
How does anything over 0% make it not "Very little"
But it's not very little , so it's moot. Lupita is clearly wrong.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:36 pm to Side Bar
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We are fatigued from you people. You're beyond exhausting.
And we're sick of all your alters. Just go away already. I'm not a "you people" like you think. I'm not a democrat, I hate woke/dei, I hate this Helen casting, hate trannies, all the stuff. Never once posted on the Poli board or anti Trump posts. You're just too dumb to have a normal conversation.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:37 pm to blueboy
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Okay, you've got me there. I just re-read and saw she actually said 'very little'
Jesus that was almost the whole argument
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But it's not very little , so it's moot. Lupita is clearly wrong.
Agree to disagree, which is fine.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:40 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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And we're sick of all your alters.
I've been on this board longer than you. You fricking idiot.
We tried telling you over and over and you slapdicks will never listen. We are beyond fatigued from you people. Ya'll will never learn.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:48 pm to Side Bar
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I've been on this board longer than you. You fricking idio
Congrats? Clearly you're a giant dumbass because you've been banned 100 times.
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We tried telling you over and over and you slapdicks will never listen. We are beyond fatigued from you people. Ya'll will never learn.
Who is this "you people" you speak of?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:50 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
You should have been banned 200 times.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 12:52 pm to Side Bar
Good one
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