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re: "Masters of the Air" | WWII Miniseries | Apple+ Trailer
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:34 am to Tigertown in ATL
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:34 am to Tigertown in ATL
Caught all the way up last night. Like I said, I was already disappointed in the show, but EP4 might have been the worst one yet.
I always say it's not fair to compare the other seasons of True Detective to S1 because it would be impossible to equal that quality/story. So I probably should do the same with Band of Brothers, but it's almost impossible not to. I hope the show gets better, but four episodes in I haven't really started to enjoy it anymore, after episode four, probably less if anything.
I think one of the biggest differences in the three shows is that Masters of Air is not as engaging. I mean in BoB and The Pacific, they were constantly engaged in combat, dirty, nasty conditions, harsh weather, starvation, and a real factor to it. You felt bad for those guys constantly because of how miserable it was. With these guys, they are having a party every single episode, good food, welcomed back to camp by women with shots of whisky, and banging hot broads. I don't really sympathies with these guys at all. They were badasses in their own right and did a hell of a job, but I feel like I'm watching a much cushier version of the other shows. Like the BoB and The Pacific guys would literally give anything to have these guys jobs.
I always say it's not fair to compare the other seasons of True Detective to S1 because it would be impossible to equal that quality/story. So I probably should do the same with Band of Brothers, but it's almost impossible not to. I hope the show gets better, but four episodes in I haven't really started to enjoy it anymore, after episode four, probably less if anything.
I think one of the biggest differences in the three shows is that Masters of Air is not as engaging. I mean in BoB and The Pacific, they were constantly engaged in combat, dirty, nasty conditions, harsh weather, starvation, and a real factor to it. You felt bad for those guys constantly because of how miserable it was. With these guys, they are having a party every single episode, good food, welcomed back to camp by women with shots of whisky, and banging hot broads. I don't really sympathies with these guys at all. They were badasses in their own right and did a hell of a job, but I feel like I'm watching a much cushier version of the other shows. Like the BoB and The Pacific guys would literally give anything to have these guys jobs.
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
New episode about Münster mission is rough. Get these guys some long range escorts. It’s about as fun as the Deer Hunter at this point.
Also, the masks they wear make it hard to tell what people I’m looking at.
Also, the masks they wear make it hard to tell what people I’m looking at.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 1:37 am to Socrates Johnson
Holy frick. Best episode yet by far. Some of the best directed air to air combat ever and some wonderful dramatic acting from Crosby and Eagan.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 2:21 am to iwyLSUiwy
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With these guys, they are having a party every single episode, good food, welcomed back to camp by women with shots of whisky, and banging hot broads.
Well it depends on every bomb group, because they were all (the 8th Air Force) stationed all over England. Some were stationed near larger towns and got to party in their off time. Especially the officers.
Some others like my grandfather’s group had to make their own fun. Like shooting flairs into the sky on July 4th only to watch one of them sail into a farmer’s barn and burn it to the ground. That earned granddad a week confined to quarters and ball turret duty on any assigned missions for a month. He was 5’3” though so he was used to ball turret duty. Just one of the lucky ones that never got hit or landed on.
This post was edited on 2/16/24 at 2:24 am
Posted on 2/16/24 at 6:57 am to The_Joker
I’m surprised people aren’t enjoying this. It’s not as good as BOB, but I’m all in.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 7:35 am to ohiovol
I'm enjoying it. Obviously its nowhere in the same realm as BoB, but it is still enjoyable if you are not trying to constantly compare.
I still hate Austin Butler though.
I still hate Austin Butler though.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:09 am to Salmon
just when I thought flying in airplanes was safer than being on the ground and fighting the war
the pieces falling from the sky, wow!
I guess they are hammering home how dangerous the missions were and bringing in the escorts to save the day after losing damn near the entire division
the pieces falling from the sky, wow!
I guess they are hammering home how dangerous the missions were and bringing in the escorts to save the day after losing damn near the entire division
Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:50 pm to ohiovol
I got caught up to the end of Ep.4 last night. I'm liking it. We get new directors starting with Ep. 5, so it will be interesting to how or if things change.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 1:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I think one of the biggest differences in the three shows is that Masters of Air is not as engaging. I mean in BoB and The Pacific, they were constantly engaged in combat, dirty, nasty conditions, harsh weather, starvation, and a real factor to it. You felt bad for those guys constantly because of how miserable it was. With these guys, they are having a party every single episode, good food, welcomed back to camp by women with shots of whisky, and banging hot broads. I don't really sympathies with these guys at all. They were badasses in their own right and did a hell of a job, but I feel like I'm watching a much cushier version of the other shows. Like the BoB and The Pacific guys would literally give anything to have these guys jobs.
Yeah you can't really compare what anyone did to the guys that were on the frontlines like the other two shows mentioned so its best to not compare them at all
But for these guys, while they got to step far away from the battle field, every mission they did the equivalent of running straight through a mine field to throw some grenades at a target and then keep running straight through machine gun fire. Get back to base. Rinse and repeat. There was no falling back or retreat.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 2:55 pm to etm512
The 8th Air Force had a higher casualty rate than any other US organization - including the USMC.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 6:45 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Great episode this week.
I agree it’s difficult to get connected to the characters like we all did in the previous series. You can’t follow them from training to the end of the war because most never made it that far. It’s abrupt watching new characters come in/out so quickly on TV….. I can’t imagine what that might have been like in real life.
I agree it’s difficult to get connected to the characters like we all did in the previous series. You can’t follow them from training to the end of the war because most never made it that far. It’s abrupt watching new characters come in/out so quickly on TV….. I can’t imagine what that might have been like in real life.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 7:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
Loved this episode. Super intense. Was the slow motion part kind of weird or out of place? Eh, I guess. But I also get it. I’ve never read the book of this particular series but I think I’ve heard countless pilots from all sides of this war mention how they had a moment where they could see “the blues of their eyes” of enemy pilots.
Of course it never literally slowed down, but many pilots would vouch that somehow there was a moment when it did and that I think might’ve been an interpretation of that.
Of course it never literally slowed down, but many pilots would vouch that somehow there was a moment when it did and that I think might’ve been an interpretation of that.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:55 am to theGarnetWay
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I’ve heard countless pilots from all sides of this war mention how they had a moment where they could see “the blues of their eyes” of enemy pilots.
Definitely seemed to me like that’s what they were going for. And I thought it was done fairly well. Having a literal closeup shot of both pilot’s eyes would’ve really sent the message home but also could’ve come across as cliche and unrealistically corny.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 3:01 am
Posted on 2/17/24 at 7:44 am to The_Joker
For those of you who have read more about this subject, was the American bombing strategy looked back on as a strategic failure?
It just seems the amount of losses they sustained wasn't a viable long term startegy. From making the planes to training the pilots, I don't see how they kept up.
It just seems the amount of losses they sustained wasn't a viable long term startegy. From making the planes to training the pilots, I don't see how they kept up.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 11:32 am to skullhawk
For those wondering how they knew the guy was a German in episode four, he wrote the date the European way. day/month/year.
*Catching up as I didn't watch it last week.
*Catching up as I didn't watch it last week.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 11:38 am to BuckyCheese
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For those wondering how they knew the guy was a German in episode four, he wrote the date the European way. day/month/year.
*Catching up as I didn't watch it last week.
didn't see that! thanks
Posted on 2/17/24 at 12:07 pm to BuckyCheese
I read it was the date, passionately singing the national anthem and knowing all the words, and the lighter confirmed it, which wasn't a zippo and instead an Austrian brand.
I missed all of those.
I missed all of those.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 1:31 pm to BottomlandBrew
Having worked for a Canadian company in the past, and having everything day/month/year, I perked up when he told him to write down the date as I knew what it was about.
Sure enough he wrote the day first.
I wondered about the lighter as it certainly wasn't a Zippo but didn't think much of it. There were other lighter manufacturers. Perhaps that was the final confirmation that put a bullet in his head.
Sure enough he wrote the day first.
I wondered about the lighter as it certainly wasn't a Zippo but didn't think much of it. There were other lighter manufacturers. Perhaps that was the final confirmation that put a bullet in his head.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 4:35 pm to BuckyCheese
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Having worked for a Canadian company in the past, and having everything day/month/year, I perked up when he told him to write down the date as I knew what it was about.
Sure enough he wrote the day first.
The moment he wrote the day first, I thought of this scene from Inglourious Basterds:
youtube.com/watch?v=a6IVkQ8-Lx8&t=647s
Posted on 2/17/24 at 5:00 pm to skullhawk
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For those of you who have read more about this subject, was the American bombing strategy looked back on as a strategic failure?
It just seems the amount of losses they sustained wasn't a viable long term startegy. From making the planes to training the pilots, I don't see how they kept up.
I believe the biggest problem with the American precision bombing strategy was that the percentage of bombs hitting their targets (aimed by the Norden bombsight) was much lower than predicted. There were too many problems--training, the need for good visibility, the Norden's analog computer losing its accuracy under harsh conditions, etc.--that the Norden never lived up to its potential. I think the massive losses they were taking would have been tolerable if the precision was there, because of how effective it would have been at crippling the German war machine.
My post on page 5 provides some post-war German perspective on the American vs British bombing strategies.
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