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Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:03 pm to OMLandshark
So according to Kaiju you shouldn't be posting and everything you say is pointless.
I guess you're just a fake fan that doesn't respect Tolkiens work.
I guess you're just a fake fan that doesn't respect Tolkiens work.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So according to Kaiju you shouldn't be posting and everything you say is pointless.
Nice straw man.
I never played The Witcher game or know anything Wheel of Time, so I generally stay clear of those threads discussions on those shows. But I will refer to & listen when true fans of those IPs praise or criticize the shows.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Seriously, everyone is going to be saying “Well at least they got Bilbo meeting Smaug and Riddles in the Dark right.”
Those two scenes were very well done which is why the rest is such a disappointment.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:29 pm to OMLandshark
There were black & other dark skinned humans.
But not hobbits dwarves or elves.
Why is that so problematic for some to grasp?
But not hobbits dwarves or elves.
Why is that so problematic for some to grasp?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:03 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides.
The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Prologue
Concerning Hobbits
How brown is browner? It's subjective. Some people reading that will say, yes there are dark-skinned hobbits.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:17 pm to TAMU-93
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How brown is browner? It's subjective. Some people reading that will say, yes there are dark-skinned hobbits.
I’d imagine brown like say a Spanish brown. We know Hobbits are from the Anduin and have never lived more south than that, so to be black I think is impossible.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:36 pm to TAMU-93
This thread is hysterical.
About a year ago, OML was throwing an absolute shitfit, because then he swore up and down that it was going to be "Chinese-friendly" due to some marketing comment.
Utter disaster, the Chinese have different (and bad) points of emphasis on shows, etc.
Now, the disaster is some black actors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese aren't a fan of blacks in movies and shows, they tend to get minimized etc. So, this is another direction.
And now, the focus is on a single line Elendil says, that some negative reviewer is linking to The Last Jedi. Absolute blasphemy, no possible reason to link it to, say, the Numenorean apocalypse... which btw, considering we're looking at Ar Pharazon, Elendil, and Isildur, could likely show up this season.
I will watch the show with a sense of anticipation, because I like the source material. If it sucks, I will simply quit watching. If it doesn't, I will be entertained.
A year or so ago, I was worried that Top Gun Maverick was a bad idea, I didn't want to see "modern woke elements" infecting that. I didn't want to see Tom Cruise destroy a movie I grew up loving. I waited a couple weeks on release to see it, just to make sure it wouldn't disappoint me. As it turns out, that was the most entertaining movie I've seen in a couple of years, and I absolutely loved it. I'm glad I didn't whine preemptively.
I don't like to tell others how to live their lives, but there's a couple posters here, who if they show up in the live episode threads, I'll want to call out and say shut the frick up. Because they have fricking napalmed this thread for 20+_pages with speculative whining, to where nobody can discuss anything other than their own rants.
About a year ago, OML was throwing an absolute shitfit, because then he swore up and down that it was going to be "Chinese-friendly" due to some marketing comment.
Utter disaster, the Chinese have different (and bad) points of emphasis on shows, etc.
Now, the disaster is some black actors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese aren't a fan of blacks in movies and shows, they tend to get minimized etc. So, this is another direction.
And now, the focus is on a single line Elendil says, that some negative reviewer is linking to The Last Jedi. Absolute blasphemy, no possible reason to link it to, say, the Numenorean apocalypse... which btw, considering we're looking at Ar Pharazon, Elendil, and Isildur, could likely show up this season.
I will watch the show with a sense of anticipation, because I like the source material. If it sucks, I will simply quit watching. If it doesn't, I will be entertained.
A year or so ago, I was worried that Top Gun Maverick was a bad idea, I didn't want to see "modern woke elements" infecting that. I didn't want to see Tom Cruise destroy a movie I grew up loving. I waited a couple weeks on release to see it, just to make sure it wouldn't disappoint me. As it turns out, that was the most entertaining movie I've seen in a couple of years, and I absolutely loved it. I'm glad I didn't whine preemptively.
I don't like to tell others how to live their lives, but there's a couple posters here, who if they show up in the live episode threads, I'll want to call out and say shut the frick up. Because they have fricking napalmed this thread for 20+_pages with speculative whining, to where nobody can discuss anything other than their own rants.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:48 pm to Scoob
I don’t believe these posters you are referring to are even real people…somebody with way too much time on his or her hands is just screwing around…I refuse to believe a real person or persons is this emotionally involved in a cartoon world.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:49 pm to Scoob
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I don't like to tell others how to live their lives, but there's a couple posters here, who if they show up in the live episode threads, I'll want to call out and say shut the frick up. Because they have fricking napalmed this thread for 20+_pages with speculative whining, to where nobody can discuss anything other than their own rants.

Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:56 pm to themetalreb
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I’m just not sure what it is exactly that you’re committed to??
This is difficult to understand in todays society, but I actually wanted a tv series about Tolkien’s work from the Second Age and not some woke adaptation.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:00 pm to Scoob
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A year or so ago, I was worried that Top Gun Maverick was a bad idea, I didn't want to see "modern woke elements" infecting that. I didn't want to see Tom Cruise destroy a movie I grew up loving. I waited a couple weeks on release to see it, just to make sure it wouldn't disappoint me. As it turns out, that was the most entertaining movie I've seen in a couple of years, and I absolutely loved it. I'm glad I didn't whine preemptively.
LOL WHAT.
Because top gun 1 was a woke movie?
This is the dumbest comparison on this thread.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:03 pm to themetalreb
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refuse to believe a real person or persons is this emotionally involved in a cartoon world.
I refuse to believe a real person would take time and someone’s work and source material and change it to fit their propaganda. This is some serious mentally ill shite.
I feel like you’re mocking authors like Tolkien who took half of their life to come up with a “cartoon world”
Posted on 7/19/22 at 2:58 pm to Scoob
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About a year ago, OML was throwing an absolute shitfit, because then he swore up and down that it was going to be "Chinese-friendly" due to some marketing comment. Utter disaster, the Chinese have different (and bad) points of emphasis on shows, etc.
They said their goal was to appeal to a global audience, which actually means they want to sell it in China. I worked specifically in that industry and I know the jargon. It’s like you arguing when they say they’re trying to appeal to an urban market they mean San Francisco. No it means they’re trying to appeal to people in Oakland.
But there has been good news and a change since I made that post: the Chinese film market has basically collapsed at this point. China is now censoring a shite ton of films since Covid and movies like Spider-Man No Way Home and Top Gun have been rewarded by audiences for not appealing to the “global audience”.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese aren't a fan of blacks in movies and shows, they tend to get minimized etc. So, this is another direction.
Yeah, but even if this is released in China, they’re not going to be featured in the marketing at all.
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And now, the focus is on a single line Elendil says, that some negative reviewer is linking to The Last Jedi. Absolute blasphemy, no possible reason to link it to, say, the Numenorean apocalypse... which btw, considering we're looking at Ar Pharazon, Elendil, and Isildur, could likely show up this season.
The Fall of Numenor isn’t going to happen at least until Season 3 if this dumpster fire doesn’t flop as hard as I think it will. They’re shortening the events of like 2,000 years to a generation, which is a major reason this is going to suck and shouldn’t be done.
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A year or so ago, I was worried that Top Gun Maverick was a bad idea, I didn't want to see "modern woke elements" infecting that. I didn't want to see Tom Cruise destroy a movie I grew up loving. I waited a couple weeks on release to see it, just to make sure it wouldn't disappoint me. As it turns out, that was the most entertaining movie I've seen in a couple of years, and I absolutely loved it. I'm glad I didn't whine preemptively.
Dude, Top Gun gave China the fricking finger in the opening minutes by showing off a Taiwan flag, and there’s nothing that pisses the CCP off more than that. No one feared Top Gun would be Woke since Tom Cruise doesn’t tend to make Woke movies and just fun ones.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:14 pm to OMLandshark
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese aren't a fan of blacks in movies and shows, they tend to get minimized etc. So, this is another direction.

Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:18 pm to CP3LSU25
quote:Nobody who likes Tolkien wants anything "woke". I think we all agree on that.
This is difficult to understand in todays society, but I actually wanted a tv series about Tolkien’s work from the Second Age and not some woke adaptation.
The show will be on Prime, which just released the most "non-woke" show we've seen in years; The Terminal List. So despite conspiracy theories about services only playing to their own agenda, Prime just showed they care more about your money, then some message.
As for Tolkien's Second Age, let's be clear here: there is very little written narrative on this. He has novels (LOTR and The Hobbit) set in the Third Age, and a good bit of background info (with some incomplete prose tales) set in the First Age.
The Second Age is a few paragraphs of dry history, and a timeline (you could say it's a detailed timeline, but then there are years, decades, even centuries between notable events).
I don't think, offhand, that there are even 10 distinct quoted lines of dialogue from that period.
So an adaptation of the Second Age is going to be like an adaptation of Pepin The Short's reign, as taken from your old Western Civ history books.
They need to hit the high points (as noted in the texts), and they need to convey a sense of continuity within the overall works. The subject matter is broader, and the scope is broader, as both LOTR and The Hobbit are largely seen from the Hobbit's perspective, and this will be more of a bigger picture view.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:22 pm to CP3LSU25
quote:You having reading comprehension issues?quote:
A year or so ago, I was worried that Top Gun Maverick was a bad idea, I didn't want to see "modern woke elements" infecting that. I didn't want to see Tom Cruise destroy a movie I grew up loving. I waited a couple weeks on release to see it, just to make sure it wouldn't disappoint me. As it turns out, that was the most entertaining movie I've seen in a couple of years, and I absolutely loved it. I'm glad I didn't whine preemptively.
LOL WHAT.
Because top gun 1 was a woke movie?
This is the dumbest comparison on this thread.
My concern, just like people are doing here, is that the NEW movie would be woke.
Why the frick would I care if they made a woke sequel to a woke movie? I wouldn't have liked the first, I wouldn't care what they followed it with.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:23 pm to Scoob
The terminal list and the rings of power have zero do with each other. The terminal list was never looking like it might be woke.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:55 pm to OMLandshark
quote:We're guessing here. We have no idea when this show actually starts, other than they show Tar Miriel and Ar Pharazon. If they're alive, then Numenor is on it's last legs (a generation instead of 2 millenia).quote:
And now, the focus is on a single line Elendil says, that some negative reviewer is linking to The Last Jedi. Absolute blasphemy, no possible reason to link it to, say, the Numenorean apocalypse... which btw, considering we're looking at Ar Pharazon, Elendil, and Isildur, could likely show up this season.
The Fall of Numenor isn’t going to happen at least until Season 3 if this dumpster fire doesn’t flop as hard as I think it will. They’re shortening the events of like 2,000 years to a generation, which is a major reason this is going to suck and shouldn’t be done.
Maybe we get "a history of Numenor" in the first episode, bringing us up to speed.
Season 1 could well be Ar Pharazon's rise to power, capture of Sauron, and subsequent assault on the Undying Lands, with the destruction of Numenor as the season finale. That hated line from Elendil could be basically the last line of dialogue from the season, as they are washed up on the shores of Middle Earth.
I don't know the actual timeline of the show, any more than you do. We might be assuming more time spent in Numenor, the show might spend more time in the early years of Arnor and Gondor. Celebrimbor might be around 1 season, might be a couple episodes... Gil Galad, Elrond and Galadriel could be any point in the Second Age. Elendil and Isildur are the last few years. You're compressing a generation, not a millenium, if that's the case.
And you bitching about time compression is a bit hypocritical, don't ya think? You have kept defending The Hobbit for the parts you like. Where's your righteous indignation about the Nazgul timeline? Them arising from tombs during the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur... they took and occupied Minas Ithil (turned it into Minas Morgul) a thousand years before. Them being entombed instead, shits on the timeline as much as anything this show could do.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:03 pm to CP3LSU25
quote:People were panicking and wringing their hands about streaming services being woke, and only putting woke shite out. You see people knee-jerk condemn anything coming from Disney, because "woke". Don't be obtuse about this.
The terminal list and the rings of power have zero do with each other. The terminal list was never looking like it might be woke.
My own concerns about Prime came from what happened to Tom Clancy's stuff. Jack Ryan isn't a woke property, either... until it became one in Season 2. Fascist Venezuela, etc. I heard enough about Without Remorse that I just skipped it. Didn't bitch or whine, just ignored the show.
The Terminal List restored some trust, or at least dropped the level of distrust I have in that service.
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