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re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:06 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:06 pm to OMLandshark
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They’re shortening the events of like 2,000 years to a generation, which is a major reason this is going to suck and shouldn’t be done.
It will never be made then.
No one is making a show that spans 2000 years and if they did you’d be pissed about all the shite they’d have to write to fill in all the gaps.
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:08 pm to Scoob
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We're guessing here. We have no idea when this show actually starts, other than they show Tar Miriel and Ar Pharazon. If they're alive, then Numenor is on it's last legs (a generation instead of 2 millenia).
Given Ar Pharazon was born 700 years after the One Ring was forged, you can throw the entire timeline out the fricking window. It doesn’t make sense for Pharazon to have been cast.
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Maybe we get "a history of Numenor" in the first episode, bringing us up to speed.
If I had to guess it will mostly focus on the white tree’s linage going back the the Two Trees.
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Season 1 could well be Ar Pharazon's rise to power, capture of Sauron, and subsequent assault on the Undying Lands, with the destruction of Numenor as the season finale. That hated line from Elendil could be basically the last line of dialogue from the season, as they are washed up on the shores of Middle Earth
It’s five seasons. If I had to take a guess on their plans, Sauron will be captured at the end of Season 2 as the cliffhanger and Season 3 will end with the fall and destruction of Numenor. If all this is in the first season, then they’ve blown their load.
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Where's your righteous indignation about the Nazgul timeline? Them arising from tombs during the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur... they took and occupied Minas Ithil (turned it into Minas Morgul) a thousand years before. Them being entombed instead, shits on the timeline as much as anything this show could do.
Because I can edit that out and ignore it. I don’t think you can with this save for writing the series out as a whole (which I plan to do).
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:08 pm to SammyTiger
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It will never be made then.
Good. It shouldn’t be made.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:13 pm to OMLandshark
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Good. It shouldn’t be made.
Stick to the book board then.
Idk what to tell you.
Especially after defending Jackson agreeing to 3 part hobbit with a made up Romance.
I’m looking for an entertaining show based
On Tolkiens works.
I can Accept that considering all 4 of narrative novels have been made into movies and 3/4 are excellent.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:46 pm to OMLandshark
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Good. It shouldn’t be made
I have this opinion on a lot of stuff nowadays
Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:04 pm to TAMU-93
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How brown is browner? It's subjective
No, it's relative to the others in comparison. Notice how Tolkien didn't say 'brown', outright. If he meant brown, as in the manner of the Southrons, he'd have mentioned it. Not unlike how Italy has fair skinned blondes up North, and darker, olive-skinned folks up down South.
See how that works? All 'Italian', but noticeable variation by group.
As for Dwarves, they'd be more of a ruddy colored skin. Tough and leathery, as they were a hearty group.
Elves were 'fair' skinned, almost entirely.
These were RACES of peoples, not nationalities, or as Lenny Henry stupidly tried to claim, some loosely associated clan.
“We’re hobbits but we’re called Harfoots, we’re multi-cultural, we’re a tribe, not a race, so we’re black, Asian and brown, even Maori types within it " - Lenny Henry
Absolute rubbish. You can't have a 'mix' of these types of different people unless there are entire populations of exclusive 'black, Asian, brown or Maori' types from which this so called TRIBE can pull folks from to make their own. Nothing works like that. Not in our world, and certainly not in Tolkien's Middle Earth.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:14 pm to Scoob
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People were panicking and wringing their hands about streaming services being woke, and only putting woke shite out. You see people knee-jerk condemn anything coming from Disney, because "woke". Don't be obtuse about this. My own concerns about Prime came from what happened to Tom Clancy's stuff. Jack Ryan isn't a woke property, either... until it became one in Season 2. Fascist Venezuela, etc. I heard enough about Without Remorse that I just skipped it. Didn't bitch or whine, just ignored the show. The Terminal List restored some trust, or at least dropped the level of distrust I have in that service
Show me where the terminal lost said they were going woke against the source material. Show me footage that shown the terminal going woke like the rings of power has said and shown already.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:20 pm to themetalreb
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I refuse to believe a real person or persons is this emotionally involved in a cartoon world.
The fact you called Tolkien's work a 'cartoon world' only proves my point. Regardless of whether you care, know or are remotely interested, Tolkien's books are considered among the greatest works of the 20th century. Certainly among the greatest in fantasy genre of all time.
It's not a 'cartoon'.
Thanks for playing.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:23 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Fine, then please stop posting about it. Please.quote:
Where's your righteous indignation about the Nazgul timeline? Them arising from tombs during the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur... they took and occupied Minas Ithil (turned it into Minas Morgul) a thousand years before. Them being entombed instead, shits on the timeline as much as anything this show could do.
Because I can edit that out and ignore it. I don’t think you can with this save for writing the series out as a whole (which I plan to do).
Since you already plan to ignore it, there's no need to spam every thread about the show. There's a lot of things on this board I'm going to ignore or not watch, some of which I might have enjoyed in the past. I don't go into those threads and hate-frick them, especially before the shows or movies even are released.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:25 pm to Scoob
Let’s be honest, you’d probably have a better time discussing the show on Reddit if that’s what you’re after
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:20 pm to Scoob
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Fine, then please stop posting about it. Please.
Nah, you don’t blatantly attack this property and get away with it. I’ll probably watch the prologue, since from what I’m hearing apparently that’s good and I do want to see the Two Trees, but you don’t attack something of this caliber. Unlike Star Wars, these writers aren’t able to kill this franchise, so the fans will be shitting all over it.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:50 pm to OMLandshark
So, I'm reading that Simon Tolkien, JRR's grandson, is a consultant for this show
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Tolkien serves as a series consultant on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (premiering Sept. 2 on Amazon Prime Video), and Payne and McKay say his contributions to the show have been invaluable. Not only is Tolkien an accomplished novelist himself, but he also happens to be the grandson of original author J.R.R. Tolkien. The showrunners say he had a key role in helping to shape the show's story and character arc development, especially given his expertise and insight into his grandfather's work.
"The first time we met Simon Tolkien, we had to pinch ourselves — here we were, sitting across the table from the grandson of J.R.R. Tolkien himself," McKay explains. "And that was only the beginning of what has proven to be an extremely enriching and rewarding dialogue. His insights, attention to detail and passion for both the characters and the overall architecture of The Rings of Power are woven throughout the pages of our story. Working with Simon has been the experience of a lifetime."
In a statement to EW, Tolkien also celebrated the partnership, saying, "I have enjoyed assisting Amazon Studios in connection with the series, and in particular providing input to JD Payne and Patrick McKay on matters including my grandfather's original writing."
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:58 pm to Scoob
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So, I'm reading that Simon Tolkien, JRR's grandson, is a consultant for this show
Which is a major concern because him and his father Christopher really weren’t on speaking terms for years due to his interpretation of his father’s works. That is a bad thing. It’s like dragging out Abigail Disney to bless projects and lying her great uncle and grandfather would approve of the Woke shite she does.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:59 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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for Dwarves, they'd be more of a ruddy colored skin. Tough and leathery, as they were a hearty group.
Dwarves were directly based on Norse cultures and stylings. Tolkien blanatly says this in a 1960s interviewm That's why their written language looks like ancient Viking text and they have long beards and reddish hair.
They also spend the bulk of their lives underground, out of all sunlight.... So a Dwarf would never in a thousand years look like this:
But, honestly, it doesn't matter because this show will be one of, if not, the biggest financial flop in TV History.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:01 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Christopher disliked Jackson's LOTR movies, and if he had his say, those movies would never have been made. He stated he was "saddened" those films were made.
Which is a major concern because him and his father Christopher really weren’t on speaking terms for years due to his interpretation of his father’s works. That is a bad thing.
My understanding of your posts, you didn't even read the books until you saw those movies; so that's kinda an odd position for you to take.
Simon was open to what Jackson did for that trilogy, and my understanding is that the whole Tolkien clan didn't care for what happened with The Hobbit. So they were more hands-on with Amazon, as to what would and would not be allowed.
There are articles and interviews with Simon going back almost 2 decades, regarding his impressions of his grandfather's works. The fact that he's involved with this (not just a shill, but involved intimately with the development), sounds like a hopeful thing.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:56 pm to Scoob
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Christopher disliked Jackson's LOTR movies, and if he had his say, those movies would never have been made. He stated he was "saddened" those films were made.
Yeah, but I understand Christopher’s perspective on the films. As much as I love them, he very much has a point as Jackson himself will admit. I don’t think any of his criticism of the trilogy is really unfair and Jackson sought to avoid as much of it as possible even if these contradictions with Tolkien’s work was inevitable bringing it into a visual medium.
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My understanding of your posts, you didn't even read the books until you saw those movies; so that's kinda an odd position for you to take.
I saw Fellowship in December of 2001, my parents bought me the Lord of the Rings book trilogy that Christmas, and I read all of them by the end of January 2002. I read the Hobbit earlier, but didn’t fall in love with the universe until watching Jackson’s film. I think that’s a relatively consistent trend for Tolkien fans my age. Going into the Two Towers I remember being very concerned with the disruption of the narrative of combining Books 3 and 4 being intermingled
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Simon was open to what Jackson did for that trilogy, and my understanding is that the whole Tolkien clan didn't care for what happened with The Hobbit. So they were more hands-on with Amazon, as to what would and would not be allowed. There are articles and interviews with Simon going back almost 2 decades, regarding his impressions of his grandfather's works. The fact that he's involved with this (not just a shill, but involved intimately with the development), sounds like a hopeful thing.
Honestly, no one cares for what happened to the Hobbit including the filmmakers themselves, and they openly admit to it. Me excusing that they nailed the scenes they needed to get right is not praise but means it meant my bottom of barrel expectations. Simon is an SJW. It’s a major concern he’s in charge of it now.
EDIT: One of Tolkien’s critics initially trashed the book on its publication saying this:
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All the characters are boys masquerading as adult heroes ... and will never come to puberty ... Hardly one of them knows anything about women
That’s the point of the story. Sam, Merry, and Pippin are based on Tolkien’s friends in WWI that all died in battle. The fact that they were innocents put into this unfortunate situation and what it does to people is why he wrote the fricking novel in the first place. Sorry, throughout its publication, many people have missed the point of the Lord of the Rings, but millions do get the point and carefully understand it, and it doesn’t take a genius to do so given how universal it is.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 12:21 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:05 am to OMLandshark
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Nah, you don’t blatantly attack this property and get away with it.
This pretty much means you’re just going to flame every thread. We already have enough of that on this board. It’s probably better if you stick to Reddit when it comes to this property man.
Seriously, I respect you as a poster and I get where you’re coming from on a lot of issues with the show. They don’t bother me, but I get where you’re coming from. But you have to let it go. Going into every thread on here and bashing it leading up to the show is one thing, but if you’re going to continue to do this shite in the In-Game threads without watching anything but the prologue, then you need to find something else, anything else, to watch or to do.
I love the shite out of some Star Wars and Marvel, but if they make something shitty, I’m not going to go into every thread about either property. I’ll make one post voicing my displeasure but then after that I’m just going to ignore it. I wasn’t a huge Thor: Love and Thunder fan but I’m not in that bitch every day talking about how shitty it is and how “woke” Feige is becoming or something silly like that. The best thing you can do for the show since you don’t like it already is to just not watch it.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:51 am to WicKed WayZ
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It’s probably better if you stick to Reddit when it comes to this property man
No. That’s a place for liberal minded people on this board to discuss it if they don’t want to hear differing opinions.
OML would be banned from the subreddit
Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:49 am to WicKed WayZ
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WicKed WayZ
You’re not the arbiter of shite. If you don’t like what he has to say, maybe you should frick off to Reddit instead.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:17 am to OMLandshark
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That’s the point of the story. Sam, Merry, and Pippin are based on Tolkien’s friends in WWI that all died in battle
Huh? Tolkien hated the comparisons of his real life experience to the story. That is something fans made up and ran with it because it seemed to fit. I have an older copy of Fellowship and in the forward he specifically said he did not want this story to be an allegory to his real life. He hated allegories but fans think his entire series was one. He wanted readers to have a freedom to draw their own conclusions, not tie it to his life. If you believe a Sam, Merry, Pippen are based on his WW1 friends, then you're not believing in what Tolkien is telling you. I think the one he did say was that the dwarves in The Hobbit was similar to the return of the Jews to their homeland.
“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
- J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 12:44 pm
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