re: Loki Season 2: Season Long Discussion Thread

What is this gif?

Majors is killing it this season

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Do they only prune alternate timelines starting after he year 3100 when the kangs emerge and develop multiversal travel?

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I don’t think this is the case, because the series starts when Loki creates an alternate timeline starting in 2012.

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Or are nexus/branch timelines different than parallel universes shown in dr strange?

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I assume the events of Loki are happening either “before” or “after” (to whatever extent those words even have meaning in a universe with time travel) the events of the main MCU films.

Keep in mind we know that a multiversal war between Kangs has already happened prior to Loki, and HWR won that war. Meanwhile we have already seen a lot more Kang variants in Quantumania. So it stands to reason that the multiverse from that movie either existed prior to the war or will exist after the TVA falls.

But the stuff going on at the TVA is happening outside of time.

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Hawkeye was solid, but not a gamechanger.

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I liked the fact that Hawkeye told a coherent and fun story without needing mystics, magic, alternate timelines, etc.

I really enjoyed it and wish there was a second season.

I've been thinking of Loki's future/past. He has to return to where he disappeared at the end of The Avengers. My guess is that he sends a variant of himself to that return point and Loki Prime remains at the TVA to return at a later more important point in time to save the MultiVerse.

Remember Time is Infinite and there are infinite Multiverses . Also the TVA exist outside of any timeline, does that make it its' own Universe ?

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Why is the universe shown in dr strange with professor x and reed Richards allowed to go on, and not pruned by the tva?

I’m confused on the difference between sacred timeline branching
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At this point, I think we have to assume that branches in the timeline and parallel universes are the same thing.

We know that there was a multiversal war between Kang variants prior to the creation of the TVA. He Who Remains won the war and built the TVA to prevent any other Kang variants from rising to power - by pruning those branches.

We also know that now, the TVA is falling. It remains to be seen how the story ends, but if the TVA is destroyed then it stands to reason that the timelines will continue to branch and there will again be a true multiverse.

The TVA’s existence creates a paradox in itself. The TVA was created because HWR won the multiversal war. If he then deleted the timelines that spawned all of the other Kang variants, that means he also deleted the multiversal war itself (and thus the creation of the TVA). That’s why the TVA has to exist “outside of time” - otherwise it wouldn’t exist at all. (Side note: This might not be true under the Endgame time travel rules, but it has to be true under rules that allow HWR to defeat his enemies by pruning their branches.)

The existence of this place “outside of tine” has some interesting implications. Time clearly still exists at the TVA. Yesterday’s events influence today’s decisions. Nobody remembers the beginning of the TVA, but it’s been established that this is only because all of their memories were wiped.

All of this means that the TVA does exist on a timeline. However, it’s clearly disconnected from the Sacred Timeline, hence not being destroyed when the HWR prunes all of the universes that would produce Kang variants. It’s a clever device by the writers. (However, it certainly seems they are bending/breaking previously-established MCU rules on time travel as mentioned.)

So to get to the point re: the larger MCU multiverse - we’ve seen that a multiverse exists in Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home. You asked why those parallel universes weren’t pruned. Well.. maybe they were pruned. Those parallel universes might have only existed before HWR won the multiversal war or they might only exist after the fall of the TVA. And when I say “before” and “after” in this case, I’m talking about TVA time. Which is really the important part.

Hell they might be universes we’ve already seen. Maybe we saw Reed Richards in the universe where Sylvie decided to be a fry cook, or the one where Brad decided to be a movie star.

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It's clear he has some sort of plan.

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Loki's plan was Timely and that plan ended the second he turned to spaghetti.

My head hurts but I like it.

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Why is the universe shown in dr strange with professor x and reed Richards allowed to go on, and not pruned by the tva?

I’m confused on the difference between sacred timeline branching
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Parellel universes

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The way I take it is this: there are infinite timelines. They prune the ones that cause problems. I see the timeline as different than a universe. They didn't prune Sylvie because she existed, they pruned her when she branched a new timeline where she was going to be a good guy.

Loki was supposed to follow his timeline of going back to Asgard and Thor 2, Ragnorok was supposed to happen. They pruned him when he skipped out of that timeline.