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re: Is 'Mad Max Fury Road' The GOAT Action Film?

Posted on 4/7/19 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 3:34 pm to
I thought it became boring sooner than it

should have have.

For me to really enjoy an action movie, it must have at least some semblance of an interesting premise and plot. a narrative that’s served by the action.

Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 5:40 pm to
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Are you kidding me?

It has perfect story structure.

Provide your evidence for it not being a good film.


I don’t remember exactly my thoughts after watching it (I’ll try to find my original posts about it once I’m back at work later this week), but it just didn’t resonate with me at all. Outside of the action sequences, the story was boring and pretty pointless and it felt sort of meh for me. I remember being underwhelmed with the story and the acting all around. Plus I don’t like Tom Hardy too much (most of this board slobs all over that dude), and it was far too overhyped for me before I watched it. All I heard was how incredible it was, and it just wasn’t. Hell, it isn’t even the best Mad Max movie.

And that’s not bait, or anything like that. Just my opinion. People can disagree with it all they want, that won’t change the fact that I think this movie is not very good.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 6:06 pm to
I’m glad other people weren’t wowed. I watched it months after it came out and thought I was missing something.

My vote would probably be Die Hard. Is The Matrix an action movie? I’d want to watch that to break in a new theater system.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:46 pm to
Wow, nothing but downvotes. Impressive.
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The GOAT
shoot yourself in the balls right now.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 12:45 am to
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I watched it months after it came out and thought I was missing something.


You had to see it on the big screen for the full effect, IMAX preferably, imo.

I saw it in IMAX and haven’t seen it since because I know my home setup won’t do it justice.

I agree that the story was lacking and is overhyped. I honestly don’t even remember what all happened in the end.

I compare it to Interstellar and Blade Runner 2049. I liked all three movies, but overall the writing, while not awful, could have been better. The cinematography and what the directors were able to put on film is what makes it notable, not the storiy that was told.
Posted by GOON
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 9:59 am to
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Is 'Mad Max Fury Road' The GOAT Action Film?


Not even close.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 11:08 am to
Coco and I usually see fairly eye to eye on movies, but I couldn't disagree with him more. Not only is MAD MAX FURY ROAD the greatest action movie ever made, I think you can make a reasonable case it is the greatest movie ever made, period.

I will grant that people tend to overrate Tom Hardy, but that's usually because Hardy has the good sense to hitch his wagon to genius directors. I don't think he's a great actor so much as he has starred in a lot of Christopher Nolan films and here, he worked for George Miller, who is one of the all-time greats.

I think the film works on every level. It's a technical marvel, most famously pointed out by Soderberg, who wrote such gushing praise for it that he asked, in all seriousness, how they aren't still shooting it and how people aren't dead? Most of the stunts were actually performed, and they added digital effects to make them more impressive. The storyboarding for this movie must have taken, no lie, several years.

It's also a simply gorgeous film. It's not just technically brilliant, it has a distinctive look and feel. You can take a still from the movie and always know its Mad Max, but also all of the action is clear and discernable. It doesn't get confused with different points of perspective and it creates a rich, detailled world, usually in just a few quick strokes. It's a masterpiece of visual storytelling with little wasted motion and more showing, less telling.

And I have to disagree that it doesn't have much of a plot. It has a great one, and one that works as a metaphor for today. It shows how people in power lie and create myths in order to support their own power structure, even if it actively harms every other person in it. Even the War Boys, ostensibly the top of the pyramid, are riddled with disease and curse to a short, brutal life. Immortan Joe isn't just a liar, he's a living lie. He puts on an armor that exists to make him look more healthy and powerful than he really is, and his mask exists not just because it looks cool, but because he cannot breathe. He turns necessities of life into luxuries ("Beware the evil of water and how you resent its absence") and controls people through his enforced artificial scarcities. Things ARE scarce in this universe, but he makes them more scarce.

The film's true arc isn't Max's, but Nux's. He is the one who sees the world fall apart and be reformed before his eyes. It is he who fails before his god, Joe, only to realize he's not god, and that Nux is the master of his own fate. He rejects one world for the new one.

But the film also deconstructs the hero's myth as well. We are programmed to see Max as the hero. He's in the title for godsakes. But its also the common trope of the mysterious strangers rolls into a foreign land and then liberates the people and rights injustice. Max doesn't do any of that. He liberates no one and the people have to free themselves. Furiosa is the hero of the film, even using Max as a tripod to level her gun after he misses. Max is still a valuable asset, but he's not a savior, except when he talks Furiosa out of chasing the fantasy of her youth. There's only death and desert that way.

The movie's brilliance and subversion of tropes can be summed up in one scene. The women are hosing themselves off from the war rig, and in a normal action movie, this would be played for titillation. Here's the sexy women getting wet. But we watch the scene through Max's eyes, and he is full of lust... for the water. He's just a thirsty guy who sees a hose.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 11:57 am to
Good stuff. I always enjoy your posts.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 1:02 pm to
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Not only is MAD MAX FURY ROAD the greatest action movie ever made, I think you can make a reasonable case it is the greatest movie ever made, period.


Yeah, uh, that's a big no.

You obviously saw the movie in a much different light than most others, and good for you, honestly, i'm happy you enjoyed it.

You also obviously read into things a whole lot more than most others do. To say this movie created a "rich, detailed world" is hard for me to see. The majority of the movie was a long arse car chase through the open desert. The "world" we saw was a desert for the vast majority of the film, and an oasis where people were are ruled by a guy that can't breath controlling the water. There wasn't much else we saw.

Nothing about the special effects or stunts during all of that was noticed by me, and that's what everyone talks about on why this movie was so great. I didn't walk away from this movie with anywhere close to the same feelings as say something like The Matrix upon first viewing. I don't get what's so special about the stunts in this movie. Was that something i was supposed to be impressed with? I know i walk away from Mission Impossible movies impressed with the stunts. Nothing here stood out to me as special.

You say "little wasted motion and more showing, less telling" and i say boring with no story.
Castaway had little "telling" and mostly showing, and did far better at telling a story without actually needing to say anything. Wall-E told a great story without a lot of dialogue. The story that was trying to be conveyed in Max Max, just wasn't interesting at all. It was as if i was supposed to be watching this movie to admire the scenes, and stunts more so than the story, and to me, they weren't impressive enough for me to care for this movie.

The plot of this story is woman kidnaps wives of the head honcho, so head honcho chases them for an hour and a half of screen time out into the desert of a post apocalyptic world, after a while they realize they can't survive out there (big surprise), and decide to return back to the oasis, kill head honcho, kumbaya.
When i really lost interest is when they just up and decided, yeah this escape plan we had that actually wasn't thought out at all, isnt' working, so lets just turn around. It made everything that had just happened dumb and pointless.
Main themes of this movie: survival & feminism

I compare this movie a bit to The Book of Eli in it's setting and plot somewhat. While i wasnt' wowed by that movie, it had a clear plot and told that story throughout the movie, lots of times without a lot of dialogue. It also actually had a conclusion to the movie, that answered questions and left others to think about for the audience. Mad Max felt like it just ended b/c the head honcho was killed, and left little to be desired going forward. It didn't feel like they succeeded in anything other than killing him, which is the conclusion of many films, but in this one particular, i didn't really care that they killed this guy b/c he wasn't built up enough for me to hate him.

Nothing about this movie was visually appealing to me. It lacked color and the setting was a desert, which is why it lacked color. the fire breathing guitars were dumb.
I can get behind the lack of color on everything and the wives being in white, symbolizing their purity, but that was no where near the same affect as say the girl in the red coat in Schindler's List when you talk about the significance of color in a movie.
Avatar and Life of Pi, both in 3-D are visually appeasing to me.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 2:10 pm to
Why does everyone forget True Lies so easily?

It's absolutely badass in every facet with some GOAT comedy scenes as well.

Charlton Heston cameo is just a bonus.
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 2:28 pm to
love TL
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 2:49 pm to
Fury Road is top 3 theater experience for me I think.

Marvelous to watch on the big screen. Really enjoyed the story too.

I tell people all the time its the best action film ever.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 5:10 pm to
It's not the "GOAT", but it is still a damned good movie.

Why people have to make these kinds of statements is beyond me.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 7:40 pm to
Fury Road is a perfect movie to me.

it did everything it was supposed to flawlessly.

Great movie.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 7:43 pm to
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It’s not even a very good film, period


damn, I cant see anywhere it is not good.

it perfectly exist as what it's supposed to be.

it's an unreal movie with great performances, action pieces, and cinimatography.

hardly anyone alive could of pulled it off.

Hollywood directors salivate over it because it's just so damn good at being and showing what it intended.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 7:45 pm to
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It’s not a genre defining film by any means


na, it definitely is.

we wont see a movie like it for a long time.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/8/19 at 8:23 pm to
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I think you can make a reasonable case it is the greatest movie ever made, period.


I could let it slide to say a reasonable case for the best action movie, but best movie, period? Not in a world where Casablanca, On the Waterfront, the Seven Samurai Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, and hundreds of other films exist there is nothing reasonable about suggesting Mad Max Fury Road is the best movie ever made
This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 8:23 pm
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