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re: Is Jefferey Wright’s “Commisioner Gordon” been the only acceptable DEI/woke hire?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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Or Sam Jackson playing Nick Fury
Not the same. When they rewrote the character in the comics in 2002, they actually designed him after Sam Jackson (without his permission, apparently). Then Sam Jackson gets cast as movie Nick Fury in an agreement that kept him from suing Marvel over the image likeness infringement.
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Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:51 am to finchmeister08
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I actually think he knocked it out of the park in The Batman, and it didn’t distract from the movie considering the character has been all white in almost, if not all, instances of the character being on the big screen.
I bring this up in response to the Odyssey threads (black Cleopatra and a trans potential-Achilles).
A black hire doesn't = DEI all the time. Commissioner Gordon is not a "cannon" type role. His skin color doesn't really matter. Tranny Achilles is 100% DEI. Black Helen of Troy is a touch on the DEI side but can be looked over. I have more of a problem of that particular actress having such beauty to "start a war", rather than her skin tone.
This isn't hard to figure out, your thread is just a desperate seeking of attention, so here you go i guess.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:53 am to Handsome Pete
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Color blind casting is only acceptable here if the roll isn't that important
Interesting. How come there has never been a race swap for historically black characters or roles? Can you think of 1?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:58 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The Holocaust angle was an add-on from the 80's.
Mid 1970s
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The Magneto Holocaust storyline began to take shape in the mid-1970s when writer Chris Claremont reworked Magneto's origin to portray him as a Jewish Holocaust survivor.
So it's only been a thing for the past 50 years? Pretty insignificant regarding the how that current character is perceived.
Magneto was created in 1963
Magneto/holocaust storyline mid 1970s
The character is 63 years old. The holocaust storyline is 50 years old. Care to do the math and rethink if that is significant?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:52 pm to finchmeister08
And specific to wright/the batman, he’s relatively light skinned, and the movie was filmed in such a dark & gritty manner, it was almost difficult to tell he’s black and the character borderlines on racial ambiguity.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 1:01 pm to Flats
True very few read the book. It was in a collection of 4 short stories. One of the stories was “The Body”, the basis of the movie “Stand by Me”, i bought it after seeing that movie 8-9 years before “The Shawshank Redemption” came out. Like every one else I only saw the movie after it bombed at the box office and rented it.
The broader point is there have long been race or gender swapped roles. I would assume they cast Morgan Freeman because his voice is perfect for narration plus he was well known and a box office draw in the mid 90s plus he’s a good actor.
The broader point is there have long been race or gender swapped roles. I would assume they cast Morgan Freeman because his voice is perfect for narration plus he was well known and a box office draw in the mid 90s plus he’s a good actor.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The broader point is there have long been race or gender swapped roles.
Of course there have, but whether or not it negatively impacts what people think is due to a host of reasons. It's not as simple as "they're a good actor so nobody cared", it's a combination of how attached people are to the source material, how major the character is, the perceived reason for the swap, etc.
In your example most people never knew about the swap and wouldn't have cared if they did, but with other established characters they're going to look at it differently. There's a reason you see black Commissioner Gordon but not black Batman. And it's not always about race or sex; I don't know anybody who thought adding the female elf to the Hobbit movies was a good move.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 11:49 am to RohanGonzales
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It's not the race, it's the actor.
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like the bitch who played Snow WHITE?
or the black Anne Boleyn?
If you'd read my posts in here you'd know that I was referring to roles like Morgan Freeman as Red or Denzel as Macbeth. Not about marginal actors shoehorned into traditional white roles.
But hey, if spitting and sputtering about Black Snow White makes you feel better, then go for it.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 12:07 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington. Pick a role.
Denzel Washington as Scott Creasy in Man on Fire. In the original version (1987) Creasy was played by Scott Glenn.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 12:26 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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We already had a thread on this.
Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington. Pick a role.
It's not the race, it's the actor.
Agreed, the obsession with this seems as bad or worse than the actual instances of it in many cases.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 12:45 pm to finchmeister08
Whether the actor's performance was shite or not seems to be the biggest factor, even more so than going against traditional character ethnicity, when determining if folks will label them a DEI/woke hire.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 8:46 pm to finchmeister08
To me as long as it doesn't feel forced and the actor or actress plays the role well, then I'm fine with it. Now once the studio and media force it on me just bc it's a minority then I'm done. Now certain roles should not be changed just for the hell of it like Superman or black panther. I just couldn't see a black guy doing Superman or a white guy doing black panther. Or this lupita long as Helen of Troy. Sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever considering the color of people in that region of that era.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 9:09 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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This post was edited on 6/5/26 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/5/26 at 10:40 pm to Flats
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it's a combination of how attached people are to the source material, how major the character is, the perceived reason for the swap, etc.
I agree with this. The biggest problem over the last 10 years or so is the “woke activist” “Oscars so white” crowd acting like opportunities for non white but especially black actors haven’t changed since 1939. The push for “equity” in every project. This leads to nonsensical “diversity” in some cases. I mean a medieval society like the Witcher is not gonna be multi racial but making the Freman in Dune darker skinned does makes sense But it also leads to backlash where some will accuse any black or female lead of being a DEI hire.
Race or Gender swaps works better when it makes sense. Just Dench playing M for example. In the 60s or 70s not likely to have woman head MI6 but by the 90s sure. A black DA or Police Commissioner in a major city like Gotham like wise makes sense. A black billionaire vigilante from a multi generational family of wealth not so much though going forward it could
Posted on 6/5/26 at 11:10 pm to blueboy
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Almost the entire cast of One Piece.
Oda, the manga writer, listed the characters would be real life nationalities years ago. So they were casted based off of that. So that (for the most part at least) was a case of casting characters based off of their intended nationality and race
Posted on 6/6/26 at 7:51 am to H-Town Tiger
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Race or Gender swaps works better when it makes sense. Just Dench playing M for example. In the 60s or 70s not likely to have woman head MI6 but by the 90s sure. A black DA or Police Commissioner in a major city like Gotham like wise makes sense. A black billionaire vigilante from a multi generational family of wealth not so much though going forward it could
Nailed it. Race swapping little mermaid is beyond egregious, but not so much for detective Gordon
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:25 am to udtiger
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Wright as Felix Leiter as well.
Ironically, I’m not a huge Bond guy but have seen a few.
I always thought Felix was black when they cast Wright but realized I literally only remember him from Never Say Never played by John Terry so I didn’t bat an eye.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Marvel had/has done multiple animated movies/shows with black Nick Fury. So we're kind of used to it.
This is from 2006
This is from 2006
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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Race or Gender swaps works better when it makes sense. Just Dench playing M for example. In the 60s or 70s not likely to have woman head MI6 but by the 90s sure.
I don't disagree but "making sense" isn't necessarily enough by itself. It makes sense that Peter Parker could be a Chinese immigrant (talk about underrepresented in American film) and certainly a professor at Hogwarts could be black, but if those characters have backstories that dictate otherwise people who are invested in them won't like the casting chioice. The guy playing Snape may crush it but he was still hired because of his skin color and the creators wanted to create some publicity.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:23 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:I say all the time
Morgan Freeman as Red or Denzel as Macbeth.
Denzel Washington, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Idris Elba can play any character and make it great
Denzel played the Equalizer, was great
Ejiofor played Mordo, killed
Elba plays Heimdall and Man At Arms. . .great
The quality of the actor matters waaaaaaay more than intent. . .but intent does matter
Unpopular opinion: Before he took a flamethrower to his career, Will Smith could pull off race swapped characters effectively.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 10:36 am
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