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re: Infinity War is the empire of my generation.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:40 am to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:40 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Are you serious? Ragnarok was one of the weaker Marvel movies. Enjoyable, but a terrible Thor movie. The CGI looked like a Hanna-Barbera production. And they turned turned Thor into alternatively a whimpering 12-year old girl and a wise-cracking character from a Hope/Crosby road picture.
Raiders is a timeless classic.
Have to disagree with you there.
It played up to Hemsworth's strength as a comedic actor. He has really good comedic timing, but still contained some good emotional moments.
The CGI was good. Not sure what you were watching. Black Panther maybe? Not sure what the hell happened when they were making THAT movie's CGI. If you're upset about the color scheme and style on Sakaar, then you should probably know that a lot of that was inspired by Jack Kirby's style.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:42 am to Tigeralum2008
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And just like the rest of your generation....it is falling short of the mark hit by those before it.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:50 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Are you serious? Ragnarok was one of the weaker Marvel movies.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:52 am to SoFla Tideroller
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but a terrible Thor movie. The CGI looked like a Hanna-Barbera production. And they turned turned Thor into alternatively a whimpering 12-year old girl and a wise-cracking character from a Hope/Crosby road picture.
Ragnarok is very much a nice mixture of old and new Thor. And it is EXTREMELY an old world cosmic Thor movie at its core. It's supposed to look like Hanna Barbara a little. Ragnarok is an EXCELLENT Thor movie, and the comedy and look of it are precisely why it's so good. And much to the "all Marvel movies are the same," line Thor is much different and better for it for that reason.
Here you go:
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:53 am to Tigeralum2008
My opinion of Marvel movies is that they’re typically well-made, decently acted, and fun movies that often (but not always) lack a real sense of danger and emotional depth. The best Marvel movies, in my opinion, are Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Iron Man, and Thor: Ragnarok because it feels like there’s so much at stake and like the characters are in real danger of failing.
Despite being silly much of the time, Marvel movies do occasionally bring the feels, like in GOTG 2. Marvel movies are meant to entertain while being fun for kids and adults. They’re not meant to be complex, gripping, mind-bending, suspense movies or deep emotional dramas. They’re more Temple of Doom and less Empire. They’re built in the vein of Men in Black, not The Usual Suspects.
Despite being silly much of the time, Marvel movies do occasionally bring the feels, like in GOTG 2. Marvel movies are meant to entertain while being fun for kids and adults. They’re not meant to be complex, gripping, mind-bending, suspense movies or deep emotional dramas. They’re more Temple of Doom and less Empire. They’re built in the vein of Men in Black, not The Usual Suspects.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:56 am to Freauxzen
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Marvel films fit very nicely in the action/sci-fi hybrid film genre and are some of the best in that group.
Marvel films are not Sci-Fi. At all. Neither are Star Wars.
Literally not at all.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:57 am to kingbob
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My opinion of Marvel movies is that they’re typically well-made, decently acted, and fun movies that often (but not always) lack a real sense of danger and emotional depth. The best Marvel movies, in my opinion, are Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Iron Man
+1
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:04 am to Hester Carries
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Marvel films are not Sci-Fi. At all. Neither are Star Wars.
Literally not at all.
They definitely fit more in the fantasy mold, but that’s really just a distinction without a difference. Science fiction is all about exploring modern moral quandaries through the lens of futuristic technology. There’s usually a lot of grappling about morality in that. The Death Star is a big piece of new technology, but there’s no moral dilemma. It’s just seen as evil and must be destroyed. If there was some moral questions about it’s ability to bring stability to the galaxy and the worthiness of Fighting tyranny and destruction verses the challenges of chaos, then, it would be science fiction.
Marvel mixes in a little science fiction here and there such as with the Civil War, Ultron, and the air ship in Winter Soldier, but it’s mostly exhibiting more fantasy tropes of the hero’s journey. Marvel and Star Wars have far more in common thematically with Homer’s “The Odyssey” than Rodenberry’s “Star Trek” or Azimov’s “I, Robot”
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:04 am to Hester Carries
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Marvel films are not Sci-Fi. At all. Neither are Star Wars.
Literally not at all.
Of course they aren't, and I never said they were. I said:
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action/sci-fi hybrid film genre
That's being loose, admittedly, but MOST people would classify Fifth Element, Star Wars, Marvel Movies, The Matrix, Underworld, Avatar all into the same bucket. And they are perfectly fine in that bucket.
We don't need to have a strict genre discussion (I'm actually way more strict than most people and have gone on Star Wars is not a sci-fi film rants on here before). But when you create loose hybrid genre buckets, that's a more generalized discussion. "What films are Marvel films mostly like?" That's an easy answer.
In my world, they are straight action-fantasy films. Real sci-fi is a super limited genre in all actuality, that's usually more prone to being hybridized than other genres, and is harder to detect.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:18 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Itll probably span a few being nothing new will be created
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:22 am to Freauxzen
My issue with superhero movies is best highlighted by Superman. They just are shitty vehicles for a story. The only way to create real conflict with godlike beings is to just willy nilly forget things you've established or just lazily establish new things. As someone who has seen every Star Wars and every Marvel movie....they are just dumb. They're fun and dumb.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:27 am to Hester Carries
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My issue with superhero movies is best highlighted by Superman. They just are shitty vehicles for a story. The only way to create real conflict with godlike beings is to just willy nilly forget things you've established or just lazily establish new things.
It is hard to create genuine suspense and emotion when plot armor or super powers makes the protagonist practically unkillable.
My issue with superhero movies isn't actually with superhero movies at all. My issue is with movie studios who have essentially given up making most any other kinds of films. Feature length comedies basically don't exist now. Action-comedies that don't have super heros? Gone. It feels like the only movies studios crank out these days are:
Superhero
low-budget horror
black women rom-com bout how you don't need no man, but get a man in the end
basically a superhero movie, but starring the Rock who doesn't explicitly have super powers, but pretty much is immune to actual harm
Where's the other blockbusters like we had in the 80's and 90's? Where's the comedy movies after 2015 or so? Where's the teen movies, the suspense movies, the spy movies, the heist films, the mafia movies, the detective dramas, the buddy cop action-comedies, the romance films, the period pieces, etc.
It feels like Hollywood has become extremely shallow in their releases and pretty much focuses 90% of their resources on superhero films to the exclusion of everything else.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:30 am to kingbob
the superhero movies are all too fricking BIG now too.
Batman is tight cause its just a noir film franchise with a unique coat of paint.
Spiderman is more about Peter Parker than Spiderman. Its essentially a metaphor for puberty.
Now everything is fighting MASSIVE planetary threats.
Can we save a person, or a neighborhood, or stop a crime boss please?
Scale is so out of proportion that you the audience is like, whatever i guess.
Batman is tight cause its just a noir film franchise with a unique coat of paint.
Spiderman is more about Peter Parker than Spiderman. Its essentially a metaphor for puberty.
Now everything is fighting MASSIVE planetary threats.
Can we save a person, or a neighborhood, or stop a crime boss please?
Scale is so out of proportion that you the audience is like, whatever i guess.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:48 am to Jay Are
quote:Lucas had nothing to do with it. He neither wrote nor directed the movie. "Laser brain nerf herder" is all on "the great" Kasdan, the same hack who wrote TFA.
I'm not defending Empire's dialogue. Lucas had no idea how to direct actors.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:57 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Do you really think anyone will be watching Infinity War in 20 years? With the amount of CGI these films have, they age like milk.
It’s been 20 years since the Lord of the Rings, those movies have a lot of CGI, and I still watch them regularly.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:01 pm to Hester Carries
I agree with your original point that overpowered superheros are no fun
I think it is why Batman is always better than Superman. WHen your number one villain is a rich guy with a green rock (sometimes without the green rock) its hard to tell a compelling story.
Even thought we all know batman wont die, we have to see how he doesn't die. Superman we jsut assume its because he is invincable.
I think it is why Batman is always better than Superman. WHen your number one villain is a rich guy with a green rock (sometimes without the green rock) its hard to tell a compelling story.
Even thought we all know batman wont die, we have to see how he doesn't die. Superman we jsut assume its because he is invincable.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:03 pm to Hester Carries
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Can we save a person, or a neighborhood, or stop a crime boss please?
I love how this is the theme of the first Marvel Spiderman movie. Peter wants to be an Avenger, but Tony wants him to just be a friendly neighborhood spider man until he gets older, wiser, stronger, and more mature.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:44 pm to Hester Carries
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My issue with superhero movies is best highlighted by Superman. They just are shitty vehicles for a story. The only way to create real conflict with godlike beings
A lot of superheroes aren't "godlike" - few are as insanely unbeatable as Superman. Hell, in Marvel, most aren't even bulletproof. Spider-Man and Captain America can be taken out by a lucky bullet. You seem to be thinking DC in your critique, which usually has the "god-like" characters who are way above us mere mortals.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:47 pm to blueboy
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Lucas had nothing to do with it. He neither wrote nor directed the movie. "Laser brain nerf herder" is all on "the great" Kasdan, the same hack who wrote TFA.
You didn't read my next sentence. And the dialogue on the page has never been my problem, even if it is simple; it's the delivery.
And the hack Kasdan also wrote Raiders and Body Heat...
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