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re: If you had to bet your next paycheck, which character is Sauron?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:28 am to Loup
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:28 am to Loup
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wait what? Did I miss something?
Go back and listen to the cave-in scene you can hear what to me is a clear roar. I don't think we will see Durin's Bane because it kills Durin VI and his son (I can't recall his name).
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:47 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
I have zero episodes of this show. But in reading the comments in this thread. All the references to "the Stranger" makes me think of Randall Flag if you get the SK reference you will know who that is.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:01 am to Obtuse1
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I can't recall his name
Nain I
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:04 am to OMLandshark
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Yes, because it’s an abomination to the works and lore
This is factually incorrect, and you know it. You’re being disingenuous.
More people are reading and discussing Tolkien and his works than a year ago - people who previously never read the books other than maybe hobbit or LOTR. These are people just now learning about the first and second age, who otherwise would never have gotten into it. They’re not learning about it because the show is an abomination (whether it is or not isn’t the point here), they’re learning about because the show has made them interested in finding out more.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:33 am to Obtuse1
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What if the origin story of mithril is just an apocryphal legend, just like mithril being able to save the elves?
No.
Not even remotely close.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:53 am to MRF
quote:
More people are reading and discussing Tolkien and his works than a year ago - people who previously never read the books other than maybe hobbit or LOTR. These are people just now learning about the first and second age, who otherwise would never have gotten into it. They’re not learning about it because the show is an abomination (whether it is or not isn’t the point here), they’re learning about because the show has made them interested in finding out more.
Link?
A lot of absolutes here, you can back this up right?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:05 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Back on track..
I am of the opinion Sauron has yet to make an appearance...
I am of the opinion Sauron has yet to make an appearance...
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:10 am to OMLandshark
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Yes, because it’s an abomination to the works and lore. I’m not watching it, but yeah I’m talking about it. Like Mithril being used to retain elvish immortality. They just pulled that straight out of their arse.
The show is not the book.
If you want the book word for word read the book.
The show is not the books.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:22 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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No.
Not even remotely close.
I don't think you understood my point, otherwise you are definitively answering a question that you can not answer, unless you have insight from the writers of RoP.
My point is Gil-Galad asks Elron to recite The Song of the Roots of Hithaeglir which is their origin story of mithril which includes a Silmaril that should not have been in the tree according to canon. If you had watched the show you would know that Elron says it is "an obscure legend regarded by most to be apocryphal". This is a clear indication that it is unlikely true.
The need for mithril to "save the elves" may be just a last-ditch effort conjured up in Gil-Galad's and Celebrimbor's minds and may very well be wrong. I think they will find out that the myth is indeed apocryphal and will not save the elves. This is why there are not huge numbers of mithril items owned by elves, I can only recall Nenya being named.
My overall point is currently with what is in place, particularly taking in Eldron's words, the origin story may not be true and if this is the case it would not contradict canon in any way other than The Song of the Roots of Hithaeglir did not come from the pen of Tolkien.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:26 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
I'm hoping it's meteor man or ever Adar but if I had to bet I'd say it is Hallbrand.
I don't want it to be Hallbrand for the simple fact that Galadriel was one of the few that wasn't really fooled by Sauron/Annatar. I'd be prefer the Harfoots to be the ones that are fooled, not Galadriel, who is already dumbed down a bit.
I don't want it to be Hallbrand for the simple fact that Galadriel was one of the few that wasn't really fooled by Sauron/Annatar. I'd be prefer the Harfoots to be the ones that are fooled, not Galadriel, who is already dumbed down a bit.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:32 am to Obtuse1
Understand perfectly that this has nothing to do with Tolkien.
None of it.
Make up whatever fanfic you want, it has no interest to me
None of it.
Make up whatever fanfic you want, it has no interest to me
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:47 am to Obtuse1
quote:
My point is Gil-Galad asks Elron to recite The Song of the Roots of Hithaeglir which is their origin story of mithril which includes a Silmaril that should not have been in the tree according to canon. If you had watched the show you would know that Elron says it is "an obscure legend regarded by most to be apocryphal". This is a clear indication that it is unlikely true.
The need for mithril to "save the elves" may be just a last-ditch effort conjured up in Gil-Galad's and Celebrimbor's minds and may very well be wrong. I think they will find out that the myth is indeed apocryphal and will not save the elves. This is why there are not huge numbers of mithril items owned by elves, I can only recall Nenya being named.
My overall point is currently with what is in place, particularly taking in Eldron's words, the origin story may not be true and if this is the case it would not contradict canon in any way other than The Song of the Roots of Hithaeglir did not come from the pen of Tolkien.
Yes, it's a wait and see. Could be a contradiction or it could end up not being one. I'm not upset like ol boy, but that part was a little frustrating even now mainly because of the way they portray Gil-Galad. He just seems weak. I dont like him being more of a cunning/trickster type character. Or him having brown hair. I'm hoping he is just using this to fool Durin because that is a really dumb break from lore. It would be by far my least favorite part of the series so far.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:49 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Make up whatever fanfic you want, it has no interest to me
You're clearly very interested in it, you've been in every RoP thread that's ever been posted on this board
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
Interested in Tolkien’, very much so. Not watching this garbage though. What people aren’t grasping is that the light of the Eldar was going to fade regardless. It had zero to do with Mithril, the Silmarils, the rings or Galadriel. Nothing
The Elves had a different fate than men, and were always going to leave middle earth. That was always going to be the case.
The Elves had a different fate than men, and were always going to leave middle earth. That was always going to be the case.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:59 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Not watching this garbage though
I'm not really trying to talk anyone into watching this show. There are things I like and dislike.
quote:
What people aren’t grasping is that the light of the Eldar was going to fade regardless. It had zero to do with Mithril, the Silmarils, the rings or Galadriel. Nothing
What you aren't grasping is you claim to have zero interest in this show but yet you can't stop talking about it. Regardless if you've watched it or not, you clearly are interested in every single thing about it. Do you think you've just been talking about Tolkien or something? You're talking about the show in every post you make.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:07 am to iwyLSUiwy
I’m interested in trashing this as much as possible.
And explaining why.
And explaining why.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:11 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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What people aren’t grasping is that the light of the Eldar was going to fade regardless.
I grasp it very well, it was set up for them by Eru. What you seem to be not grasping is Morgoth has hastened that. Would it not be logical that the elves knowing this might try to reverse this premature fading? Might they not attempt something based on an erroneous myth?
The reality is you do not like the show based on its limitations. Telling the story of the second age limited as they are on the ability to draw on Tolkien's full works always meant they were going to write plot lines not fleshed out by Tolkien. This is a completely reasonable complaint. However, a refusal to watch but still attempting to argue about the details of the show puts you at a disadvantage. You look just the same as people who never read Tolkien's works but just watched the movies and argue incessantly from a place of ignorance.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:49 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Yeah, like I said- trolling. Like cajunbama on the SEC rant, continuously trolling LSU.
I’m interested in trashing this as much as possible.
And explaining why.
You're losing whatever point you're trying to convey by doing that.
Make your initial argument and then leave it alone, that has more credence than saying "and whoever likes it is a fricking loser" multiple times a day.
Do you even realize the irony in what you are doing? Tolkien wrote letters about the orcs, and he made a point to say appearance wasn't the defining factor, it was the "orc-ish" behavior. Crude, foul, vulgar, full of hate.
You claim to respect and honor the man, but you're behaving like an orc. I don't think you'd have his respect in this.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:51 pm to Scoob
I've never read the books, but is it possible that the rings in this series are forged FROM mithril?
I just can't see why it's so important at this stage if not used to forge the rings.
I just can't see why it's so important at this stage if not used to forge the rings.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:04 pm to MRF
quote:Feanor created the Silmarils, and then it was all about the wars to recover them.quote:
And, they're going to have to establish why the Rings/prevention of fading is a one-shot try; why they can't just try it again after vanquishing Sauron.
Is there anyone left who could have forged a ring of power at that point? Also, the elves seemed to know at that point that the new age was to be the age of men.
Nothing was ever written about Celebrimbor at all, until he started forging the Rings a full Age and a half after Feanor's accomplishments. There was no foreshadowing of his gifts and skills, it was simply "Celebrimbor, who was Feanor's grandson, created these Rings with the assistance of Sauron... and he made the Three on his own".
Meaning, there were no great Elven smiths, until there was again.
Why NOT have some refugee in Rivendell start working on something new, now that Sauron is gone, the Balrog and Smaug are gone, the Dwarves will reclaim all their lost territories, the orcs are headed to extinction, and Gondor is ruled by a Man who fully understands and respects the Elves?
The quest of the Noldor is complete, and the Teleri finally succumb to the call. But the Nandor and such, the world is now more hospitable than ever.
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