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re: If you had to bet your next paycheck, which character is Sauron?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:09 pm to modes
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:09 pm to modes
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I've never read the books, but is it possible that the rings in this series are forged FROM mithril?
That's actually a good guess. I've never thought about that but Mithril is described as looking similar to silver instead of gold. I've never read anything that I can remember that said it was any other color but I could see the show using it as the material the rings are forged out of. Some elven jewelry was made from it.
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I just can't see why it's so important at this stage if not used to forge the rings.
A simple answer would be it's just a very high quality metal. Beautiful, light, strong, and could be made into so many different things.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:20 pm to Scoob
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Yeah, like I said- trolling. Like cajunbama on the SEC rant, continuously trolling LSU.
Not trolling. Trolls don’t care
I do.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:27 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Why do you care that other people are watching something you don't like? Just boycott it and move along.quote:
Yeah, like I said- trolling. Like cajunbama on the SEC rant, continuously trolling LSU.
Not trolling. Trolls don’t care
I do.
You're trolling every attempt actual viewers make to discuss the show.
As I said, you are exactly like cajunbama. You both seem to have the exact same motivation- you are desperately trying to annoy anyone interested in that subject.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:48 pm to TideWarrior
I'm going with the stranger. Clues are there. Hobbits bring him in, Hobbits take him out.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:01 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
My money is on Gil Galad.
He's an elf. Check
Seems shady. Check
He is very close to Celebrimbor and has instructed him to create the forge. Check
He is EXTREMELY persuasive, he persuaded Elrond to give up his sworn oath to Durin about finding the Mithril after seemingly inventing this lie about the Elves needing the Mithril it or perishing, he commanded Galadriel to leave to the Undying Lands maybe to try and get rid of her. Check, Check, and Check.
He's an elf. Check
Seems shady. Check
He is very close to Celebrimbor and has instructed him to create the forge. Check
He is EXTREMELY persuasive, he persuaded Elrond to give up his sworn oath to Durin about finding the Mithril after seemingly inventing this lie about the Elves needing the Mithril it or perishing, he commanded Galadriel to leave to the Undying Lands maybe to try and get rid of her. Check, Check, and Check.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:05 pm to Scoob
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Why do you care that other people are watching something you don't like? Just boycott it and move along.
First of all most of my comments are directed at the directors, Showrunners, and actors who outwardly lie. They have zero interest in preserving & respecting Tolkien’s lore & it shows. They are hapless shills whose only desire is to grift off of his work and overwrite it with their political agenda.
Objectively, this show is terrible. Even ignoring the money spent, it is slow and poorly done. Spare me the “you haven’t even seen it“ garbage. I’ve seen enough clips and understand what a storyline is to know the show is terrible. And I certainly know enough of the lore to realize they are just haphazardly making up crap and expecting it to work. It doesn’t.
I have seen fan made films that respect their source material far more than anything connected with rings of prime
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:38 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:They aren't posting here, these are viewers. And yes, you are insulting viewers who state they happen to like or want to watch it.
First of all most of my comments are directed at the directors, Showrunners, and actors
quote:That's subjective, not objective. The visuals are better than anything I've seen recently, and that includes House of the Dragon on HBO, and some big budget D+ shows.
Objectively, this show is terrible. Even ignoring the money spent, it is slow and poorly done.
And Tolkien being slow... um, yeah. It was never pulp-fiction action, like Conan etc.
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Spare me the “you haven’t even seen it“ garbage. I’ve seen enough clips
Well then, if you've seen clips, clearly you are an expert on the matter.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:40 pm to ob1pimpbobi
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I'm going with the stranger. Clues are there. Hobbits bring him in, Hobbits take him out.
Unless they do a major retcon, Sauron did not know what Hobbits were until he captured Gollum, so no if it’s him they’re going to completely go against the texts. Gandalf is associated strongly with fire as well like Sauron, but Gandalf represents its power for energy and light, not chaos and destruction like with Sauron.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:50 pm to OMLandshark
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“I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass.The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.”
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:52 pm to Philzilla2k
Plus as the Hobbits would be sure to remind you, Gandalf’s amazing fireworks.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:56 pm to OMLandshark
They are not full on Hobbits yet. The eye, the fire, the weirdos showing up, the language he uses at the cold spell and the girl getting a glimpse all points to evil. But it could be a trick and it could be that elf guy who built the tower. He seems like a douche
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:02 pm to ob1pimpbobi
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They are not full on Hobbits yet. The eye, the fire, the weirdos showing up, the language he uses at the cold spell and the girl getting a glimpse all points to evil. But it could be a trick and it could be that elf guy who built the tower. He seems like a douche
I’m not buying it. There are no major differences between Harfoots and Hobbits. The only reason they aren’t using Hobbit is the term is copyrighted and they don’t have the rights to using the word.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:08 pm to Scoob
I know more about Tolkien than anyone connected with this show, which isn't saying much, I'll grant you.
But as this is a discussion board, I'll discuss. I've cancelled my Prime account, before the show even dropped, so at least I'm sticking my principles. That's about as much as I can do with regards to Prime.
So a few shots look 'pretty'. BFD. This show is so garbage, they can't even hire a proper swordsman to show WARRIOR Galadriel how to fight with a sword.
"Stap, twist, gut". Right. Brilliant. She-elfsplaining to NUMENORIANS! Good grief. The race of Numenor had no equals (aside from Elves) when it came to fighting.
You tell me what storyline works for you and is soooo well written that you'd defend it over HotD. Please. This show is nothing but angry feelings and forced, contrived conflicts with random mystery box story telling mixed in for effect. Nothing happens in this show. Nearly 6 hours in , and Peter Jackson had already moved the story along to past the Battle of Helm's Deep and setting up the bigger battle for Middle Earth.
But as this is a discussion board, I'll discuss. I've cancelled my Prime account, before the show even dropped, so at least I'm sticking my principles. That's about as much as I can do with regards to Prime.
So a few shots look 'pretty'. BFD. This show is so garbage, they can't even hire a proper swordsman to show WARRIOR Galadriel how to fight with a sword.
"Stap, twist, gut". Right. Brilliant. She-elfsplaining to NUMENORIANS!
Good grief. The race of Numenor had no equals (aside from Elves) when it came to fighting. You tell me what storyline works for you and is soooo well written that you'd defend it over HotD. Please. This show is nothing but angry feelings and forced, contrived conflicts with random mystery box story telling mixed in for effect. Nothing happens in this show. Nearly 6 hours in , and Peter Jackson had already moved the story along to past the Battle of Helm's Deep and setting up the bigger battle for Middle Earth.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:09 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Agreed.quote:
I'm going with the stranger. Clues are there. Hobbits bring him in, Hobbits take him out.
Unless they do a major retcon, Sauron did not know what Hobbits were until he captured Gollum, so no it’s not him they’re going to completely go against the texts. Gandalf is associated strongly with fire as well like Sauron, but Gandalf represents its power for energy and light, not chaos and destruction like with Sauron.
A couple observations about the Stranger; he seems to display in-world naivety, and concern about the effects of his actions. He appeared to think the fireflies dying made him "bad".
Sauron never ever ever feels that way. He isn't going to be naïve and clueless, he would have already been trying to guide and influence the Harfoots. It's his nature to demand structure and order, so even at the very least, he would have pushed Nori's family to the top of the social structure, and then guide her/them to do what HE thinks is best and most important. So if he was amnesiac, and not actively malicious, he would elevate his benefactor and punish those who oppose her.
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My money is on Gil Galad.
He is very close to Celebrimbor and has instructed him to create the forge.
He is EXTREMELY persuasive, he persuaded Elrond to give up his sworn oath to Durin about finding the Mithril after seemingly inventing this lie about the Elves needing the Mithril it or perishing, he commanded Galadriel to leave to the Undying Lands maybe to try and get rid of her.
This is quite the quandary- it flies in the face of known lore on the surface, because we know Gil Galad opposed Annatar, and died fighting Sauron at the end.
But, damned if you don't nail the evidence- you change that name, and it's completely what Sauron would do.
And add in- notice how he watched Elrond and Durin discussing the mithril issue, from an unobserved location?
Sauron is a shape-shifter... could they POSSIBLY have him impersonating Gil Galad?
Take that a step further- are there, will there be other examples of ELVES that seem to act out of character; and maybe later act as though they don't remember doing these things?
I suspect you were joking, but you might have hit something with that.
Could be worth watching for. I might do a rewatch, and see if there's any evidence to support it.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:31 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I'm not playing your game, Kaiju. You don't have to watch.
I will respond, for the sake of clarity, to a couple things
Every computer war-gamer immediately screamed in protest at the deployment and usage of forces in Winterfell, against the Night King's army. A few said the initial layout was correct... but facing backwards. Put the soldiers in front of the ballista, etc. Don't waste your light calvary in a direct charge on the very center of a huge force, use them to harass the edges.
We're talking about a 50 hr show, you're pissed that we aren't in the middle of battles yet? They're still introducing characters and locations.
I will respond, for the sake of clarity, to a couple things
quote:Game of Thrones was eviscerated on several websites about how the armor was useless, and show-only. Stuff looked cool, but wasn't correctly placed to be defensive.
This show is so garbage, they can't even hire a proper swordsman to show WARRIOR Galadriel how to fight with a sword.
Every computer war-gamer immediately screamed in protest at the deployment and usage of forces in Winterfell, against the Night King's army. A few said the initial layout was correct... but facing backwards. Put the soldiers in front of the ballista, etc. Don't waste your light calvary in a direct charge on the very center of a huge force, use them to harass the edges.
quote:Nearly 6 hrs into a 10 hr show, Jackson had the movies on pace with the books.
Nothing happens in this show. Nearly 6 hours in , and Peter Jackson had already moved the story along to past the Battle of Helm's Deep and setting up the bigger battle for Middle Earth.
We're talking about a 50 hr show, you're pissed that we aren't in the middle of battles yet? They're still introducing characters and locations.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:54 pm to OMLandshark
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I’m not buying it. There are no major differences between Harfoots and Hobbits. The only reason they aren’t using Hobbit is the term is copyrighted and they don’t have the rights to using the word.
But they have the rights to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
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So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:57 pm to Philzilla2k
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But they have the rights to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
I truly don’t understand it. Like they explicitly have stated they don’t have the rights to use the name Hobbit. It’s all super confusing.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:59 pm to OMLandshark
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I truly don’t understand it. Like they explicitly have stated they don’t have the rights to use the name Hobbit. It’s all super confusing.
A lot of this production doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:04 pm to Philzilla2k
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A lot of this production doesn’t make sense.
I’m guessing it’s because the word Hobbit is copyrighted outside of the book/film. It doesn’t make much sense.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:37 pm to Scoob
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Game of Thrones was eviscerated on several websites about how the armor was useless, and show-only. Stuff looked cool, but wasn't correctly placed to be defensive.
I was talking about the scene of Galadriel instructing the Numenorian knights, in particular. Not full scale strategy, like the battle for Winterfell (which was garbage), but the hand-to-hand sword play. Arya’s instructor and then again when she faced Brien of Tarth, both of those scenes were far more tactical and realistic.
Obviously you would not use battle ready swords when you’re just sparring like that, and going full out trying to score a hit. Somebody could’ve easily been mortally wounded had they not been so laughably uncoordinated. A knight of Numenor would already know how to use a sword.
Stab, twist, gut is something you tell a child.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 6:39 pm
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