re: How did Ryan get the job at corporate over Karen?

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Some of my favorite moments on the show were when he "showed up" and showed signs of how good at his job he really was. 

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Definitely. Another good example is when he finally manned up to Stanley and reminded him who the boss was.

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Definitely. Another good example is when he finally manned up to Stanley and reminded him who the boss was.

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Did I stuttuh??!!

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Ever since this started airing on CC, I've been watching it a lot. The smugness of Jim/Pam once they're married (and general disregard for the rest of the office) is really standing out to me, especially Pam.

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I post about this in every Office thread. They were absolutely unbearable.

Jim, a paper salesman in Scranton and Pam, a receptionist with great tits... so much better than everyone else.

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- the Golden Ticket sweepstakes

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Um, that was technically Dwight's idea.

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I post about this in every Office thread. They were absolutely unbearable.

Jim, a paper salesman in Scranton and Pam, a receptionist with great tits... so much better than everyone else.

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Another one I saw last night. At the company picnic, they walked in talking about "We're gonna show our faces to a few people to be seen, and then we're gonna leave."

Jim did the same thing with the party at Robert California's house. He even bragged about being masterful at leaving parties early.

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a mentally retarded accountant,

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one of my major gripes about the show as it went onward. Kevin went from lovable buffoon to a probably retarded incompetent. It's like they said "we're gonna make him as dumb as humanly possible until people complain and we can't get away with it anymore" but no one complained. I HATE the later seasons but have attempted to watch a few that come on comedy central when I get home from work, there was one from S8 or 9 where he literally didn't know the alphabet. Went from like F to Q to J to B. I mean I get that dumb people can be funny but that's almost insulting to me. And it would even be passable if he was a janitor or something but no, this man is an accountant that deals with numbers for a living. GTFO

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So they aren't better than the two old fat lazy salesman, the idiot beat farmer, the singing gay moron, a mentally retarded accountant, a cat loving cheating whore, an ugly whore, a 20 something year old indian who acts like a 14 year old, the temp, and creed?

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not really, they're all middle class scrubs. Being married and having kids doesn't inherently make them better.

Also, oscar, Darrell, and even Toby are pretty normal, but don't act like smug fricks.

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one of my major gripes about the show as it went onward. Kevin went from lovable buffoon to a probably retarded incompetent. It's like they said "we're gonna make him as dumb as humanly possible until people complain and we can't get away with it anymore" but no one complained. I HATE the later seasons but have attempted to watch a few that come on comedy central when I get home from work, there was one from S8 or 9 where he literally didn't know the alphabet. Went from like F to Q to J to B. I mean I get that dumb people can be funny but that's almost insulting to me. And it would even be passable if he was a janitor or something but no, this man is an accountant that deals with numbers for a living. GTFO

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I agree with a lot of that. Most people became caricatures of themselves at some point. Kevin and Creed are perfect examples.

The only thing I will say, though, is that Holly thinking Kevin was retarded when she first started is one of the most hilarious things ever on the show.

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Also, oscar, Darrell, and even Toby are pretty normal, but don't act like smug fricks.

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I get your point, but to say Toby and Oscar aren't smug tells me you either don't know what smug means or have never seen the show. Toby was a smug douche after the Scranton Strangler trial. And Oscar is about as smug as they come. He was the office know-it-all and always tried to show people up on their intelligence. It doesn't get more smug than that.

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Also, oscar, Darrell, and even Toby are pretty normal, but don't act like smug fricks.

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Notice i didn't mention them.
And I'm not sure you know what smug means if you think Oscar isn't.
Darrell and the fat comedian should have been fired several times for how they acted towards their boss thinking they were better than him. you'd swear Darrel was the boss, not Michael.

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not really, they're all middle class scrubs. Being married and having kids doesn't inherently make them better.

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It makes them have what most people see as normal life, which no one else in the office had.
Phyllis thinks that Bob Vance is the big shite. She's never left Scranton. She's a small town woman who's never seen anything outside of her home town. Jim and Pam have both lived somewhere else for some time, and don't think the Steam town mall is the only place in the world you go to buy something nice. She's like someone from Larose who's thinks going to the Southland Mall is a big deal. Meredith thinks Outback is a nice steak restaurant.

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the idiot beat farmer

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that idiot is actually pretty rich, runs a successful farm and owns the building that his company is in thus his own company pays him every month just to operate their business. Dwight is very smart