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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 7 "The Red Sowing" (SPOILERS)
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:13 am to MorbidTheClown
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:13 am to MorbidTheClown
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I agree with Jace. This move seems to be watering down the whole dragon rider mystique.
Do you want mystique, or do you want dragon riders? Jace just selfishly doesn't want Targaryen bastards having dragons because he knows he's a bastard and someone like Hugh Hammer on Vermithor would easily kick his arse and take his spot on the throne if it came down to it.
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:25 am to MorbidTheClown
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the drunk guy riding a dragon is just dumb.
It's also a bad plan if that was Rhaenyra's intention. Compare it to Aemond's plan to kill Meraxes. They draw out Rhaenys and kill a dragon rider and a dragon.
With this plan, Aemond now knows they have added dragons to the roster. He will be more cautious. The Blacks didn't score any victories with that showing.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:25 am to MorbidTheClown
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I agree with Jace. This move seems to be watering down the whole dragon rider mystique.
guess its better to just let vhagar obliterate you and everyone you hold dear, because... mystique.
i do agree that they should've tried a couple more high born names. although they kind of addressed this when they discussed who would try after hearing what befell darklyn.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:35 am to AMS
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i do agree that they should've tried a couple more high born names.
Outside of any first cousins that may exist that we're unaware of, its more likely that Hugh and Ulf, both of whom are fully half-Targ, have more dragon blood than some Baratheon or other third generation descendant.
I believe all of Baelon and his siblings legitimate children are accounted for already.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:44 am to Epic Cajun
quote:In the book, it's his idea. I'm not sure why they changed that.
Jace just selfishly doesn't want Targaryen bastards having dragons
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:46 am to Epic Cajun
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Assuming you mean they won't leave Dragonstone,
No. The greens think the blacks assume they will use Vhagar to defend KL and he won't ever leave. So Aemond thinks he can leave KL because KL will be defended by the idea that Vhagar is there whether she is there or not.
Aemond isn't very smart from a tactical POV which is a huge flaw of his. He thinks Vhagar is invincible and therefore HE is invincible.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:47 am to MorbidTheClown
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I agree with Jace. This move seems to be watering down the whole dragon rider mystique.
Its either water down the mystique or lose the war. Kind of not really a choice when you look at it that way.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:51 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I’m kind of done with jace. Get with the program or get in the back. His mother is getting shite done.
he knows he’s not true born but he is high born which is a huge difference in this world. And if he’s scared there will be a succession challenge then guess what…there always was going to be and he’s in the middle of one now LOL.
“Don’t add dragon riders because they might try to take the throne!!!!” You don’t have the throne yet dickweed. How about crossing that bridge when you get there?
he knows he’s not true born but he is high born which is a huge difference in this world. And if he’s scared there will be a succession challenge then guess what…there always was going to be and he’s in the middle of one now LOL.
“Don’t add dragon riders because they might try to take the throne!!!!” You don’t have the throne yet dickweed. How about crossing that bridge when you get there?
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:53 am to cgrand
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Outside of any first cousins that may exist that we're unaware of, its more likely that Hugh and Ulf, both of whom are fully half-Targ, have more dragon blood than some Baratheon or other third generation descendant.
Like it matters to a dragon if the child was conceived inside or outside of marriage, a human construct. All that matters to the dragon is that it smells Targ blood, which would be considered "pure" if child was born inside a marriage. To the dragons these bastards are Targ or of old Valyrian blood (in the case of the Sea Snake's bastard).
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:54 am to Indefatigable
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Outside of any first cousins that may exist that we're unaware of, its more likely that Hugh and Ulf, both of whom are fully half-Targ, have more dragon blood than some Baratheon or other third generation descendant.
I believe all of Baelon and his siblings legitimate children are accounted for already.
Not to mention, she just had the head of her kingsguard die from attempting, and one of her stepdaughters almost died from attempting as well. If you just offer up a bunch of bastards, you aren't really sacrificing people who matter (to Rhaenyra at least).
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:56 am to blueboy
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In the book, it's his idea. I'm not sure why they changed that.
IMO, it makes sense, he has a valid point that they would essentially have just as much claim as him once it comes time to inherit and another war can easily break out due to that.
But on the other hand, you can't just sit around and do nothing with the dragons.
They've made him into a little bitch on the show, and he wasn't that way in the book.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:58 am to SoDakHawk
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Like it matters to a dragon if the child was conceived inside or outside of marriage, a human construct. All that matters to the dragon is that it smells Targ blood, which would be considered "pure" if child was born inside a marriage. To the dragons these bastards are Targ or of old Valyrian blood (in the case of the Sea Snake's bastard).
Honestly no one really even knows if that matters. It's just guess work from all angles.
ETA: pretty sure it was never confirmed in the book that Nettles had any sort of Targaryen lineage
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:01 am to cgrand
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I’m kind of done with jace.
You should enjoy somethings in the future then
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:07 am to DestrehanTiger
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t's also a bad plan if that was Rhaenyra's intention. Compare it to Aemond's plan to kill Meraxes. They draw out Rhaenys and kill a dragon rider and a dragon.
I don't think it was a planned ambush. She has to teach the Dragonseeds how to ride and control dragons, kind of like a 15 year old with a learner's permit. Ulf was presumably on a training ride and was having trouble controlling his dragon (which they showed) and it flew too close to King's Landing.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:10 am to Indefatigable
i just assume everyone is going to die horribly in this show
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:14 am to cgrand
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i just assume everyone is going to die horribly in this show
That is probably the best way to go about it
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:14 am to cgrand
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i just assume everyone is going to die horribly in this show
That is probably the best way to go about it
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:14 am to AUFANATL
Stupid me though Vemithor was Caraxes at the end He looked smaller than I thought he was in that scene
He looked smaller than I thought he was in that scene
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:51 am to SoDakHawk
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To the dragons these bastards are Targ or of old Valyrian blood (in the case of the Sea Snake's bastard).
Wouldn't Addam have to have some Targaryen blood somewhere up the line?
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:54 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Because on its own its a very good show. The only reason people feel a little let down is BECAUSE its the GOT universe and the expectations are so insanely high.
I agree that this season has been pretty sub par for this world and that they are failing to create the intrigue that existed in GOT but if it were its own show without those expectations I think people would be less critical.
Eh, I think "very good" is a stretch. If you compare it to seasons 1 and 2 of GoT it's not even in the same neighborhood, it's almost worth not even comparing them at this point they are so far apart in quality.
I think if it weren't for Game of Thrones, viewers would be bailing. You're right it probably does get more criticism because of GoT but these guys decided to try and tackle this and so far they're not doing that great of a job. They are making a perfectly fine TV show, it has it's moments, but it has it's failings too. Beautiful show, wit great sets, costumes, the CGi on the dragons is definitely better (remember Dany riding Drogon for the first time was so bad), but for the part most people care about the most, like the story and character development, there is not really anything very good about it.
In season one there were characters that I liked and disliked, in season two it's like they've made you feel "meh" about everyone, good or bad. Again, I'm enjoying it and definitely do not dislike it, but this season has been a very big let down, especially considering episode four was the best episode of the entire series.
Usually during the week sometime we'll all in the office talk about the TV shows we're watching and HotD especially. It's gotten to where we're basically saying "Did you watch HotD?" "Yea". And about leave it at that. We've discussed Dark Matter on Apple+ more than we have HotD because for three weeks now there really hasn't been much to discuss.
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