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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 7 "The Red Sowing" (SPOILERS)
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:05 pm to cgrand
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:05 pm to cgrand
quote:She could quietly legitimize him just to shut him up.
he knows he’s not true born but he is high born which is a huge difference in this world.
But the whole angle of her 'getting shite done' is a departure from the book as well. She turns into kind of a psycho in the book, much like Dany but for a longer period of time, and makes dumb call after dumb call. The Iron Throne even rejects her. They have definitely softened her up quite a bit, so it will be interesting to see how they treat her ending.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:07 pm to blueboy
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In the book, it's his idea. I'm not sure why they changed that.
They tell you why they changed it. Jace just thinks he'll be another person that can ride a dragon/not special and it'll take away his legitimacy as heir. Makes sense really.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:19 pm to blueboy
quote:I suppose losing her entire family (on both sides), her kids, the dragons, the goodwill of the people, all of the money, and generally everything else that “comes with” being king/queen will be enough to drive her mad. She’s a loose cannon in a way that danaerys never was…we saw her ruthlessness but only in context of trying to make the world a better place. Maybe it’s just me (and a better actress) but the chaos is clearly bubbling beneath the surface with Rhaenyra.
She turns into kind of a psycho in the book, much like Dany but for a longer period of time.
Danaerys wasn’t going to inherit the throne before (or after) her father died. She only had a claim as the last targ standing. Rhaenyra is the first born of the sitting king
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Sure, and it has the double effect of making him less likeable so they can kill him off at The Gullett, but it's more GoT to have him be beloved when he dies. Here, they're just making him look like a snob.
To be fair, though, TV Jace will end up being 100% correct, so I guess it evens out.
To be fair, though, TV Jace will end up being 100% correct, so I guess it evens out.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:32 pm to blueboy
The way this is setting up, they’re going to kill off one of Rhaenyra’s bastards in the first three season finales of the show.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:50 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Usually during the week sometime we'll all in the office talk about the TV shows we're watching and HotD especially. It's gotten to where we're basically saying "Did you watch HotD?" "Yea". And about leave it at that.
This show definitely doesn't spark conversation like GOT did but I think its 3 fold as to why:
1) We know the ending. Its a pretty linear story so even those that haven't read it know that most dragons and characters will die.
2) The story really only has 2 sides. There aren't a plethora of side stories that you can discuss.
3) Unfortunately because its not as good as GOT. They haven't created much nuance with the characters, they just are what they are.
The good thing is that GRRM has created the nuance for us in the books. Unless the fundamentally change the dragon seeds, we will get some good TV. At this point though, I am afraid that they will somehow try to make the traitors out to be justified in their own right instead of portraying them as the power hungry sacks of shite they really are. BUT we don't really know why they switched sides from the book. I am willing to bet that clubfoot fills their pockets with gold and their ears with propaganda and lies.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Let's be honest, the characters are so disconnected from the audience we are going to be more upset when dragons are killed.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:13 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 7/30/24 at 4:33 pm to blueboy
Saving that for when I do cardio at gym tonight
Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:04 pm to prplhze2000
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This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:28 pm to hg
Dude get that shite out of here. This isn’t a leaks thread
Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:31 pm to Draco Malfoy
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:18 am to blueboy
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She could quietly legitimize him just to shut him up.
But her legitimizing him, is her admitting that he’s a bastard, which does the opposite of legitimizing him regardless of the “official act” of legitimizing him
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:25 am to Epic Cajun
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But her legitimizing him, is her admitting that he’s a bastard, which does the opposite of legitimizing him regardless of the “official act” of legitimizing him
Yeah their plan at this point in the story should be to use the bastards and then kill them when the war is over. Its ruthless but its the only way to stop them from challenging for the crown. Hell, they don't even have to wait for Rhaenyra to die because Vermithor and SIlverwing are bigger than Syrax and Vermax. As soon as Vhagar is dead, they could try to make a move if they wanted to.
Now we all know how the story goes but this is more proof that Rhaenyra is bad at being a War leader. She doesn't think ahead very much.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:27 am to Epic Cajun
I guess, but it’s pretty obvious and I assume well accepted that he’s not actually a valeryon. Ramsey Snow became Ramsey Bolton and inherited the dreadfort. John Snow had multiple opportunities to be legitimized. Gendry became a baratheon and got storms end. And we see later the legitimization of the targ bastards after all this is over.
he’s not of common birth, it shouldn’t matter. She could legitimize him, rename him Targaryen and name him her true born heir. Plus he seems to be a good dude and “would” make a good king.
we know none of that is going to happen but neither did his little outburst need to happen. Yes he’s right there’s a danger but the danger is not to him personally it’s to the war effort as a whole.
he’s not of common birth, it shouldn’t matter. She could legitimize him, rename him Targaryen and name him her true born heir. Plus he seems to be a good dude and “would” make a good king.
we know none of that is going to happen but neither did his little outburst need to happen. Yes he’s right there’s a danger but the danger is not to him personally it’s to the war effort as a whole.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:01 am to cgrand
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I guess, but it’s pretty obvious and I assume well accepted that he’s not actually a valeryon. Ramsey Snow became Ramsey Bolton and inherited the dreadfort. John Snow had multiple opportunities to be legitimized. Gendry became a baratheon and got storms end. And we see later the legitimization of the targ bastards after all this is over.
Right, but no one really gives a shite about the Dreadfort, or smaller locations. Those are awarded to different folks during/after conflicts. This is the Iron Throne we're talking about.
It really makes no difference, but admitting that he's a bastard would give claim to other bastards once Rhaenyra is gone. It's one thing for there to be rumors that he's a bastard, it's another thing entirely to admit it. Look at GoT with Joffrey and Tommen. Hell as stated above, Hugh and Ulf could just overpower everyone once Vhagar was dead and claim that they have as much right as Jace (especially Hugh with his lineage). It's really just a mess either way, especially once it turns into a giant dick measuring contest. Rhaenyra ultimately makes some dumbass decisions, but who knows if things would've even shaken out differently if she didn't.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:08 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah their plan at this point in the story should be to use the bastards and then kill them when the war is over. Its ruthless but its the only way to stop them from challenging for the crown. Hell, they don't even have to wait for Rhaenyra to die because Vermithor and SIlverwing are bigger than Syrax and Vermax. As soon as Vhagar is dead, they could try to make a move if they wanted to.
biggest F up will be not kidnapping their family as hostage to ensure allegiance. and immediately assassinate the riders after vhagar is taken down.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:29 pm to AMS
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biggest F up will be not kidnapping their family as hostage to ensure allegiance. and immediately assassinate the riders after vhagar is taken down.
That is defibitely an option but she also could have just shown more loyalty to the bastards that risked their lives to claim dragons for her. She could have easily given them whatever castles they wanted from the houses that supported the Greens. Instead she passes them over multiple times and creates resentment.
She just isn't a good Queen. Thats kind of the Irony of this whole ordeal. All the major players are bad at ruling. They have no idea how to be fair but strong like Jahaerys was.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:36 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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They have no idea how to be fair but strong like Jahaerys was.
Good Targ leaders are the exception, not the rule. They are mostly fkn nut jobs. Generations of interbreeding and dragons at your disposal to decimate others would do that to anybody though. Fickle, volatile, insane
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:49 pm to Saskwatch
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Good Targ leaders are the exception, not the rule
I would disagree. Up to the point of the dance we had:
Aegon the Conqueror - Good Ruler that ruled for 34 years
Aenys I - A little weak but would have been a fair ruler had the faith not turned on him. I think he was similar to Viserys I in demeanor. He only ruled for 8 years.
Maegor the Cruel - Psycho that only ruled for 6 years
Jahaerys I - Great ruler that ruled for 55 years
Viserys I - Good ruler that ruled peacefully and successfully for 26 years.
And then the dance.
So by the count, we had 1 great ruler, 2 good rulers, 1 weak ruler, and 1 psycho. By years, it was 115 years of good rulers with only 14 years of weak or psycho rulers. And I think it could be argued that Aenys could be counted amongst the good rulers. Which would total 123-6 in terms of good vs bad.
I think up to the point of the dance, Good rulers were the rule and the psycho was the exception.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 1:58 pm
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