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House of the Dragon has a queer problem

Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:51 pm
It just ain't gay enough Says GQ, a magazine that presumedly was once for straight men. . . And when they do have the gayzes, dey murders em

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Later episodes will no doubt have to reckon with the aftermath. But for the meantime, to introduce a rare couple of queers to the series, only for one of them to be dispatched, quickly, in visceral fashion, leaves an awful taste. After all, it's not the first time that queer characters have been introduced simply to face their ghoulish, bloody demise. Thrones' treatment of gays has been a long-standing point of debate.

As Vulture's Brian Moylan wrote of the Game of Thrones season six finale back in 2016, “gay characters on Game of Thrones have met especially bloody and ignominious deaths”. He notes the shadow monster assassination of Hot King Renly, the head-smashing execution of big-B Bisexual Oberyn Martell (Pedro Pascal), and Loras, not only put through the worst conversion therapy known to man at the hands of religious zealots but A-bombed in the attack on the Sept of Baelor by would-be queer icon Cersei Lannister (Lena Headey). The manner of their deaths is appropriate for the franchise's unrelentingly bleak tone, but it's troubling that gay characters are still relegated to devices demonstrative of darkness.

Laenor's queerness presumably isn't going anywhere, so his characterisation has plenty of room to breathe. But it nevertheless feels outdated to embrace the tropes of the past, not least in a media era where renewed focus has been placed on robust explorations of queerness. The Celluloid Closet, film critic Vito Russo's long critique of queerness in the media, was published over four decades ago, as Stephen M Hornby noted in The Conversation as the original series was coming to a close. “[Russo] noted a trend in some film representation where the gay man is presented only to meet an unhappy, punishing and often fatal ending,” he writes, also evoking US academic John Clum's analysis of the trend on stage as “ritualistic purgation”.

It's not just the gays that get the short end of it in the world of Game of Thrones, but it's unsettling that, even in 2022, a roomful of writers might still default to the same trope.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:52 pm to
This tweet from Sunday night sums up that entire article.

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:53 pm to
Says GQ…

Wait, when did GQ go gay??

Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:54 pm to
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Wait, when did GQ go gay??


It's an entire magazine dedicated to men's fashion.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:55 pm to
This is why we have threads that go 50 pages with nothing but arguing about representation in movies/tv

It's never enough for these people
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:56 pm to
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Wait, when did GQ go gay??

When Maxim started getting big, I think

Nothing official, to my knowledge, but it has basically been "Out" or "Men's Health" since the late 90's
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Styxion
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:56 pm to
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characters on Game of Thrones have met especially bloody and ignominious deaths


No gay needed. They all die horrible deaths. That's part of the story.
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:57 pm to
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most characters on Game of Thrones have met especially bloody and ignominious deaths


FTFT

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:58 pm to
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No gay needed. They all die horrible deaths. That's part of the story.
GQ only cares about the gayzes
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:59 pm to

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:00 pm to
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Wait, when did GQ go gay??


Jesus Christ. Next you'll casually mention your wife's penis and wonder why everyone is shocked by your lack of powers of observation.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:02 pm to
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It's never enough for these people

Somewhere some "journo" is prepping Pan-African Latinx queer transgender clubfoot anarcho-communist representation on Sesame Street
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:05 pm to
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It's never enough for these people


Right?

Why can’t they just be happy with their token gay getting his face smashed in the first episode we meet him?
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:05 pm to
If he got killed for being gay, these people might have a point. He was beaten to death by a psycho to whom he was making dire threats by implication. DWI.

Other than that, I can think of numerous films etc. in which the gays turn out just fine. I think this writer is probably still butthurt over Braveheart or something.

This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 4:13 pm
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:06 pm to
Maybe I'm just showing my age here, but it blows my mind that there are apparently people who sit around watching TV shows and thinking to themselves, "Where are the dudes sucking other dude's dicks? Goddammit, I can't get into the story if there aren't enough dudes sucking other dude's dicks."
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:20 pm to
Gay, straight or indifferent, they kill off everyone in hideous ways. The LBGoTHoD people deserve no special treatment.
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:22 pm to
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This is why we have threads that go 50 pages with nothing but arguing about representation in movies/tv It's never enough for these people


This cuts both ways.

Remember, this board didn’t have a 50 page thread on queer representation, instead, we had a parade of never ending melts cause the actress playing Alicent mentioned the show will touch upon things like internalized misogyny.

This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted by Boodis Man
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:36 pm to
Someone please tell this asshat blogger that it’s an adaption from GRRMs book. The character gets killed in the source material…if you’ve got a problem with it then go write your own epic fantasy and build it up to a point where HBO wants to adapt it. Then u can call the shots.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:43 pm to
Wives don’t even have…


Oh, it’s you.

Never mind.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 4:47 pm to
These dumbass articles are just as dumb as those incel YouTube channels whining about everything is woke
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 4:48 pm
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