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re: House of the Dragon - Episode 2.2 - Spoilers okay
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:00 pm to Madking
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:00 pm to Madking
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But she played games with both her husband and best friend when Otto didn’t tell her to. She employed Laryse knowing what he was and she’s done other devious shite like the Cole situation. Dunno how people can’t see what she is.
Oh, I think she sucks, but even when she isn't directly doing Otto's bidding, she's still a product of how he molded her as a child.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:15 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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If this is true, they really messed up that scene. It 100% looked as though the Balck twin lost and the Green twin won and killed himself.
I thought team black won and then he fell on his sword almost out of an embarrassment that he allowed his brother getting that close to killing his queen. So there was the shame factor as well as it would be pretty hard to live with yourself after having to kill your twin brother.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:16 pm to blueboy
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Yep. They don't want you to pay attention to the fact that women caused all of this. Alicent is a liar and Rhaenyra had a bunch of bastards.
What does Rhaenyra having bastards have to do with HER claim to the throne and starting a war?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:19 pm to Epic Cajun
Sure, at some point she adopted the way he sees things on a surface level view but she’s all about Alicent. Everything she does is self serving under the guise of duty and virtue. At least Otto is playing towards an end where she seems to not think past what’s in front of her.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
He also knew there’d probably be no way she could ever fully trust him again.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:23 pm to blueboy
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Yep. They don't want you to pay attention to the fact that women caused all of this. Alicent is a liar and Rhaenyra had a bunch of bastards.
Who is watching the show going "Nope, Alicent is an honest woman that doesn't lie and Rhaenyra's kids aren't bastards!"?
Both of those things are clearly evident, they aren't trying t make you think otherwise
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:31 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Same as in GOT, her heirs are illegitimate.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Women destroyed society. DWI.
And you’re purposefully omitting the fact that the book comes from multiple viewpoints of observers and folks with agendas
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:32 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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What does Rhaenyra having bastards have to do with HER claim to the throne and starting a war?
It doesn't have anything to do with that, but it does muddy the water in regards to her heir.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:38 pm to Epic Cajun
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You obviously know that the book is essentially just a history of what happened, in order to create a coherent television show they have to add some reasons why things occur and occasionally these are things that happen behind closed doors that can't possibly be known by anyone except those involved in the happenings. If they would just follow the books the only scenes that would occur would have to happen with Mushroom or the Maester in the room. There would be zero scenes with just Alicent and Viserys.
No one is questioning any of that. The point is that by injecting elements into the story, they've taken an angle. I've shared what I think that angle is. In my opinion, they are painting the women in a more sympathetic light than the various accounts in the book.
I didn't say it's a bad thing. I didn't say it's a good thing.
FWIW, I think they are at least being consistent and there is coherency to the story they are telling since they have played up a friendship between Alicent and Rhaenyra from the beginning.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:40 pm to Draco Malfoy
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:45 pm to SPEEDY
Explain the leg wound, Ryan.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:50 pm to Madking
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Same as in GOT, her heirs are illegitimate.
The war started over her claim though. Not her heirs.
Totally different than in GoT. There you had a bastard on the throne. Here, there is no doubt Rhaenyra is a proper heir.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The deaths of those children were because of the conflict that has started due, in part, to their actions (or inaction). That is absolutely a heavy consequence for both women. Both women carry the weight of that and we’ve seen that portrayed (neither is living a happy life at this point as a result). And we’re all of two episodes into the season, so it’s very premature to say (ignoring the loss of family) that they won’t be held culpable. In the books they very much were (and I don’t see those ends drastically changing on screen)
I'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point. No one is suggesting they aren't feeling consequences. I'm arguing that there are elements being injected into the story that paint the women in a more sympathetic light than the accounts you find in the book. Again, I'm not pissing and moaning about it. but nothing you've said disproves that observation.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:54 pm to Mickey Goldmill
And you don’t think that weakens her position in the context of what’s happening?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I thought team black won and then he fell on his sword almost out of an embarrassment that he allowed his brother getting that close to killing his queen. So there was the shame factor as well as it would be pretty hard to live with yourself after having to kill your twin brother.
Well thats the issue. It appears at the end that team black did win BUT the way the fight goes down by sequence:
1) Team Balck (TB) comes in and interrupts the TG twin from killing Rhaenyra.
2) TG cuts TB's leg and lunges at Rhaenyra again.
3) There is a scuffle and we can't tell who is who.
4) One twin is strangling the other, we still can't figure out who is who.
5) Then the guy getting strangled frees himself but sticking his fingers in the leg wound of the guy on top. This would indicate that TB was on top and TG was on bottom.
6) TB (presumably) falls back, gets up, and runs at TG.
7) TG runs his sword through TB and is victorious.
8) The victor (presumably TG by the way the fight plays out) apologizes and kills himself.
Now if I have the order of events wrong, someone correct me but it looked to me like TG won the fight by what little we had to go on to differentiate between the 2 fighters.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:13 pm to Jorts R Us
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I'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point. No one is suggesting they aren't feeling consequences. I'm arguing that there are elements being injected into the story that paint the women in a more sympathetic light than the accounts you find in the book. Again, I'm not pissing and moaning about it. but nothing you've said disproves that observation.
I’m arguing that the original text was a second-hand telling of what others proposed were motivations of the characters.
The elements being injected are through what GRRM (who is still heavily involved in HoD compared to later seasons of GoT) says is the actual story. Not just the second-hand written accounts after the fact. It shouldn’t be surprising that people appear more sympathetic in that fashion. Because you’re seeing inside motivation. You’re arguing it’s just “making women” sympathetic. That’s a really simplistic view.
And honestly, I’d argue the show hasn’t really displayed Alicent as a character you can sympathize with. She’s a self-serving, conniving woman who at almost every turn has done things to serve herself. Just this last episode she fails to comfort her son who is struggling with being King, she’s still fricking Crispy, and she even tries to trauma dump on poor Helaena who is just grieving her kid.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:15 pm to Madking
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And you don’t think that weakens her position in the context of what’s happening?
Sure, but that's not what started the war. You think anything would be different right now if her kids were all born of Laenor?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:15 pm to Esquire
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Explain the leg wound, Ryan.
Watching the behind the scenes portion made me realize that there might be a disconnect between what the show runners want to accomplish and what they are actually doing.
This fight scene and the rogue leg wound is a prime example but there were other comments that didn't jive either.
1) they mentioned that Rhaenyra and Daemon don't trust each other because they are essentially the same person. I don't see this as true. Daemon is selfish, impulsive, and quick to spill blood. Rhaenyra may also be selfish but she is much more calculated and tries to find solutions other than killing everyone. Hell Daemon even mentioned in their argument that she is too much like her father in her unwillingness to kill.
2) They noted that in the one scene where Aegon sees Heleana in passing that "The king and queen's eyes met and they had a moment of understanding between them in their grief." I remember the scene and thought that it looked like Aegon kind of blew off the queen and possibly even blamed her for not putting up a fight. I defibitely didn't pick up any sympathy or understanding between the two.
Two very minor discrepancies and I don't think either really hurts the show at all, I just found it interesting that I picked up completely different feelings toward scenes and people than they were going for.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And honestly, I’d argue the show hasn’t really displayed Alicent as a character you can sympathize with. She’s a self-serving, conniving woman who at almost every turn has done things to serve herself. Just this last episode she fails to comfort her son who is struggling with being King, she’s still fricking Crispy, and she even tries to trauma dump on poor Helaena who is just grieving her kid.
Every now and then they do something that makes me have some level of sympathy for her. She lit the candle for Lucerys while praying. She didn't want them to kill Rhaenyra initially.
She has some level of decency in her, but she makes a lot of poor choices that make her decency irrelevant.
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