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re: House of the Dragon - Episode 2.2 - Spoilers okay
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Here, there is no doubt Rhaenyra is a proper heir.
There is though, there is precedence of a female "heir" getting passed over for a male. Just look at Viserys and Rhaenys, so while she was a legitimate Targaryen, she wasn't a cut and dry heir.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:27 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:there's no doubt for the audience, but the kingdom certainly has a differing definitions of "proper". also rhaenrya's heir would be a bastard, and the rumors are well known. that's a problem
Here, there is no doubt Rhaenyra is a proper heir.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:27 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Now if I have the order of events wrong, someone correct me but it looked to me like TG won the fight by what little we had to go on to differentiate between the 2 fighters.
I only watched it once last night and didn't rewind and try and figure it out shot for shot because it seemed like I followed what happened, but, the only argument I'd have to that is.... that's too big of a mess up for a big show like this to make. After the show they mentioned that they practiced that fight scene for 30 hours. A lot of time was put into that scene. I highly doubt they completely screwed up which twin actually got cut. It was probably just the way it was show and that they were identical twins that makes someone easily thrown off.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
When all is said and done, does it really matter? They both died, regardless of if they "messed up" it was pretty clear to me that the Team Black Cargill won the fight with his brother, but ended his life due to the sadness of the event. In the book they just kill each other, they probably should've just ended it that way rather than trying to be dramatic about it 
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:32 pm to Epic Cajun
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There is though, there is precedence of a female "heir" getting passed over for a male. Just look at Viserys and Rhaenys, so while she was a legitimate Targaryen, she wasn't a cut and dry heir.
I meant that there is no doubt she is Visery's child. The male vs female thing is the reason this war is happening, imo. I don't think it has anything to do with Rhaenyra's kids being bastards.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:35 pm to Epic Cajun
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When all is said and done, does it really matter?
Thats kind of my stance too. While its fun to play detective, it doesn't affect the story as a whole.
On another note, I do wonder why they spent a decent amount of time showing Aegon as a drunk deviant prior to him becoming king only to have him be a fairly normal person once he gets the crown. I mean he does kill all the rat catchers which was dumb but that move could easily be called for by a normal, grieving father. I am just curious if the portrayal of him as a miscreant will come into play more and more as the War unwinds.
Even as I ask this question, I kind of give myself an answer. It does show that he can't be controlled and this does come to play when he fires Otto as Hand.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:35 pm to cgrand
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also rhaenrya's heir would be a bastard, and the rumors are well known. that's a problem
That a problem for another day. A problem between her bastards and her true born child, similar to Joffrey vs Stannis/Renly.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I meant that there is no doubt she is Visery's child. The male vs female thing is the reason this war is happening, imo. I don't think it has anything to do with Rhaenyra's kids being bastards.
It’s a two-fold thing IMO.
1. There is precedent for a female being passed over for the crown. And in this case, Viserys had a male heir from his second marriage who has produced legitimate heirs of his own (through his sister wife).
2. If Rhaenyra is Queen, one of her illegitimate children would’ve been the heir to Driftmark. The Velaryon’s are big on pure blood lines inheriting and that was one of the biggest wedges for Rhaenyra ruling peacefully, despite Viserys naming her his heir and her children legitimate. That was absolutely being taken into present day consideration (and is discussed throughout the show) and was a huge driver in uniting opposition against her.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I meant that there is no doubt she is Visery's child. The male vs female thing is the reason this war is happening, imo. I don't think it has anything to do with Rhaenyra's kids being bastards.
I think they cling to the Bastards thing to illegitimize Rhaenyra. Like saying she can't be Queen, she doesn't make good decisions.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:42 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
That's definitely true. I guess my point is that this war was going to happen regardless of her having bastards or not. Vicerys' small council wasn't going to let a woman (with Daemon who they hate) take over .
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You’re arguing it’s just “making women” sympathetic. That’s a really simplistic view.
I don't believe I've actually said that the women are the only characters they've made more sympathetic. I would concede that they've also softened Aemon and even Aegon. They've definitely watered down Cole's responsibility for this mess.
Still, the theme that the women in this story are being pulled into a violent conflict by others rather than willingly escalating the conflict to serve their own ends is certainly a fresh POV. Alicent is an accidental conspirator in this version. Rhaenyra now draws the line at going after kids. It's a take. Fwiw, I think it helps flesh out why Daemon and Rhaenyra grow apart which was mostly an afterthought in the book.
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And honestly, I’d argue the show hasn’t really displayed Alicent as a character you can sympathize with.
They haven't made her more likeable. At the very least, the affair with Cole makes her look hypocritical. But her affair has nothing to do with escalating the war. She's an accidental conspirator--a relatively more sympathetic role in the conflict than the accounts given in the books.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That's definitely true. I guess my point is that this war was going to happen regardless of her having bastards or not. Vicerys' small council wasn't going to let a woman (with Daemon who they hate) take over .
Yeah the war was inevitable. I think Rhaenyras first mistake was leaving King's Landing and allowing the Hightowers the freedom to set everything up for Aegon's crowning. Had she been in King's Landing they couldn't have been so bold and she probably could have inserted herself to the small council given that it was her kingdom to inherit.
I do get that there were dangers in KL and she could have been assassinated but fleeing to Dragon stone and seemingly sitting on her hands put her behind the 8 ball.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That a problem for another day. A problem between her bastards and her true born child, similar to Joffrey vs Stannis/Renly.
I tend to lean towards that not being as big of a deal because she can always have more children, especially with Daemon and that would definitely be a legitimate Targaryen heir. It's not like it's set in stone that it has to be one of the "Strong" boys.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:48 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah the war was inevitable. I think Rhaenyras first mistake was leaving King's Landing and allowing the Hightowers the freedom to set everything up for Aegon's crowning. Had she been in King's Landing they couldn't have been so bold and she probably could have inserted herself to the small council given that it was her kingdom to inherit.
I do get that there were dangers in KL and she could have been assassinated but fleeing to Dragon stone and seemingly sitting on her hands put her behind the 8 ball.
100% agree. There was nothing stopping them from taking over.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:49 pm to Jorts R Us
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At the very least, the affair with Cole makes her look hypocritical. But her affair has nothing to do with escalating the war.
Have to strongly disagree with this. She’s enabling Cole and that has allowed him to rise within the Green’s ranks. And will turn this war into an unmitigated shitshow (we already have a horrible botched assassination attempt solely at his hands).
It makes her an unreliable ally for her son. By not speaking up to Cole’s incompetence she is enabling her house’s destruction.
That’s not accidental. She’s keeping him around for her own purpose and pleasure.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 1:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
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By not speaking up to Cole’s incompetence she is enabling her house’s destruction.
Why do you think she is aware that Cole is incompetent? I think she believes that he is very competent and thinks his voice is needed from a military strategy POV.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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That’s not accidental
Accidental was a comment in regards to her role in Aegon's ascent. In this version, she genuinely believes that Viserys changed his mind, which is great for her father and the council. There was no intent to conspire on her part.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:21 pm to Madking
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But she played games with both her husband and best friend when Otto didn’t tell her to.
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She employed Laryse knowing what he was
What? quote:What is the devious Cole situation? That she's fricking him?
other devious shite like the Cole situation
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:52 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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2) They noted that in the one scene where Aegon sees Heleana in passing that "The king and queen's eyes met and they had a moment of understanding between them in their grief." I remember the scene and thought that it looked like Aegon kind of blew off the queen and possibly even blamed her for not putting up a fight. I defibitely didn't pick up any sympathy or understanding between the two. Two very minor discrepancies and I don't think either really hurts the show at all, I just found it interesting that I picked up completely different feelings toward scenes and people than they were going for.
Concur entirely
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:58 pm to Draco Malfoy
Just popping in to say I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. Its heating up, I’m curious to see how many battles we get this season, does anybody have an idea?
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