re: Homeland Season 2 Finale Prediction Thread (12/16)

Great finale.

Highly doubt Brody was in on it based on how he acted leading up to it. he also wouldn't use his own damn car. Nor was Saul. I'd definitely be more pissed if Saul was involved.

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My first impression was that it was Saul as the mastermind.

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I'm keeping that option open myself.

But the way this show loves frickery, the mole will end up being Chris or Dana or some absurd shite.

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Well, at least I had the whole "bomb" at the memorial service right. Other than that, I'm convinced these frickers (the writers) read our threads each week, then write the complete fricking opposite of what we're thinking. Again, they appear to be trying so hard to trick us the audience, that they are starting to let the show go to shite.

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Pretty sure they change their story lines as they go along. I think they made the right decision not to kill him at the end of season 1. They needed/wanted to explore the chemistry Brody/Carrie have.

Other times I think they make the wrong choices. Namely taking the Brody/Carrie love story too far and not making it pay off (yet). 2 full seasons and a literal disaster occurs every time they are together. I like plots that involve them bc they are great characters, but their love story needs some good, less melodramatic times to offset the frequent bad times to be more realistic.

Also, they keep the Brody family in tact when they seem to have no real story lines to play off of. What is the Faber Bunch going to do next season, and do we even care? They should make Dana a terrorist to keep it more interesting.

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I guess I can somewhat look fwd to next season, wondering if Carrie will actually be able to clear Brody, or if Brody is actually still doing Nazir's work. Just going by this episode, Brody's reaction and how fricking stupid it would have been of him to attend that memorial service unless he wanted to be a Martyr, and then the tape of him later being released, I'd guess that Brody is in fact innocent BUT knowing these writers he isn't.

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I concur I think they are leaning to saying he's innocent, but they want to keep doubt alive. The reason why I lean towards innocent is because they went all-in on the Brody/Carrie relationship this season and sacrificed other plots.

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They keep changing the rules when it's convenient for them and expecting us to just "go with it" when there is a big revelation. Never mind that they just killed the phone tap and most of the surveillance on Brody the minute after they stopped Nazirs original plot, knowing what a threat Brody was and the fact that he might still be in touch with other terrorist operatives. And then Quinn is just gonna have a change of heart about killing Brody after thinking on it for one night. Lets not even talk about him giving David Estes the "Order" and threatening his life, when clearly Quinn is just some black ops soldier and Estes is almost at the very top of the CIA.OK. But yeah, I'll keep watching.

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Yeah I'm with you... it's true that plausibility has no real place on this show. Yet I'll keep watching, and maybe that's a big reason why. There's nothing more addictive than something that drives you so crazy.

Catching up now. Quinn went Richard Harrow on Estes

Ok overall a pretty shitty finale. Should have been 2 hours.

What if Brody is in on it but truly cares for Carrie. The fact that he ensured her survival points to this. But then, who the heck released that old confession video of him in the uniform.

If not Brody and not Saul, then who? Who else even had access to be on the premises to move Brody's car? We've run out of potential characters to pin this on.

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What if Brody is in on it but truly cares for Carrie. The fact that he ensured her survival points to this. But then, who the heck released that old confession video of him in the uniform.

If not Brody and not Saul, then who? Who else even had access to be on the premises to move Brody's car? We've run out of potential characters to pin this on.

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al qaeda released the video. remember carrie got the video when she ransacked that apartment in the middle east, and then got it to saul. the video was originally in the hands of the terrorists. there were multiple copies.

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Great finale.

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Really great. Loved the argument between Carrie and Saul. There's something about Brody's face and demeanor that always has me feeling like something bad could happen at any moment. There's a blankness to him that I think makes it possible to believe he really could have done it. Even if he didn't, it was brilliant how they still managed to use him against the USA. And watching the burial at sea of Nazir reflected the absurdities of the situation in the real world.

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Yeah that was Hebrew I'm pretty sure. Saul is Jewish.

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That was the Jewish prayer of mourning.

I dont see Saul saying a prayer of mourning if he was invlolved, so that rules hom out as a mole.

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1. in season 1, he was wearing a vest, and was going to kill himself. season 2, the bomb was in his car, and he was out of harms way. obviously he wasnt as jittery when he wasnt committing suicide.

2. season 1, he has dana on the phone, begging him not to do it. i think that brody's love for dana is the strongest bond he has with anybody, and thus made him think twice about detonating the bomb.

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All true, but again, we've seen Brody so on edge anytime the bad guys were planning something. He's telling us (the audience) that he is very much against mass bombings. He was totally OK taking out Walden alone, but he hates the mass casualties or collateral damage. Also he knew Carrie was gonna be there, he's gone through so much trouble to see her survive, it would be ridiculous to just let her blow up with everyone.

His life was as close to back to normal as it was ever gonna get the minute before the bombing. Even if Carrie was ultimately gonna choose the CIA over him, he was technically still in there as far as romance goes. I also think he would have been a lot more "Good bye-ish" with Dana. Then the video gets released on top of all that. There is very little room if any at all to believe Brody was in on it. And I'd also be pissed if they link Saul as the Mole because he was in fact saying a Hebrew Prayer of Mourning, I think because at that time he figured Carrie was dead, but he's also pretty genuine in his love for humanity. Again, if he's a terrorist mastermind, it goes against EVERYTHING his character has established these last 2 seasons.

That would be the Writers saying to all of us. And I still believe this show is too good for that. They've stretched a bit here and there, but ultimately this show has to be better than solely trying to set us up to be fooled. It has to be better than that, right?

And I'm sure there were a few copies of Brody's suicide film floating around. Probably only the closest people to Nazir had them of course, and the CIA now has one of them. But I really want to believe this is all Nazir. He planned ahead of his own death, knowing that we'd let our defenses down and it would be prime time for an attack. Hopefully this is the case, he's still got his own people and whoever the Mole happens to be, it isn't Saul. I'm totally ok with this scenario.

Oh, and the terrorist they were showing on the news taking credit for the attack (the number 2 guy now), we've seen him before right? Seems like Brody met with him in season 1......