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re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:47 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:47 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:She might be inclined to give Euron 1 chance to speak his mind. All anyone knows about him is that he's in open conflict with Yara and Theon, over control of the Iron Islands. He apparently has the bigger and more successful fleet (and thus, more forces to bring to the table). He does seem to own the Iron Islands now, so there's that.
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Perhaps if Dany had someone like Barristan Selmy still would her he would have advised something like this but she has no real military strategist.
How is that not obvious though? She is the only person with an Air Force that is packing mini nuclear bombs. I would have flow around to find Euron's fleet and burned it first though. That would have taken out Cersei's military force completely at that point.
So, do you feel him out? Is he seriously aligned WITH Cersei, or just AGAINST Yara and Theon? If it's the latter, the case could be made that he's already dealt with that, and now it's a matter of whether he would bend the knee.
Even Tyrion wouldn't be too upset with the treatment of the Sand Snakes, only Varys would have much invested there.
Heck, the Dothraki chieftains in her guard might say Euron's the stronger of the ship lords, so if you need a navy choose him. Theon would bitch, but Jon might say frick Theon.
It's obvious to the viewer that Euron is a 'bad guy', but to Dany and her advisors, it might not be.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:47 pm to MontyFranklyn
I'm talking about while this battle was going on. Much like what happened at the rock.
I think it's safe to say Euron's fleet is marked for death anyway.
I think it's safe to say Euron's fleet is marked for death anyway.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:48 pm to Scoob
She needs Jorah.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:49 pm to Uncle Stu
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not sure if it was mentioned not reading all of the 60+ pages- the depth of the water Jamie fell into?
that was the only thing that threw me
watched the scene again, you can get a fairly good sense that's not much of a river, more of a creek. And Jamie charging Dany with spear, his horse is galloping along that same shoreline.
they ended on a "deep dark lagoon" note there, seemed off
Maybe him sinking was supposed to be a metaphor, and not to be taken literally...
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:50 pm to CarRamrod
I am a terrible master, but I was under the impression it wasn't literally their face, but that they could use the face of anyone who has died.
regardless, no one will become someone, littlefinger will let her get close and she'll cut this throat open.
regardless, no one will become someone, littlefinger will let her get close and she'll cut this throat open.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:54 pm to Scoob
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didn't hear about the raven, we just hear Jon talking about Bran's vision.
I just watched the preview again and you're right. They showed a flock of ravens while Jon was talking so I guess I heard words that weren't there.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:54 pm to DelU249
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I was under the impression it wasn't literally their face, but that they could use the face of anyone who has died.
They showed Jaquen H'ghar cutting a dead man's face off in an earlier episode.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:55 pm to saintsfan92612
Yea, but is 'out of left field' really such an oddity for this show? We know that Jorah left Oldtown weeks ago and that he has stated that he will seek out Danny. If he's going by land from Oldtown to Blackwater Bay with the intent of traveling to Dragonstone, it would put the location of this battle directly in his path. And it simply felt like it would have been a fun twist to the more obvious hero being Bronn.
In whatever case, this is the answer I was looking for. Hadn't gone back to slow-mo analyze the shot, so thanks for finding it. Apologies for rustling so many jimmies.
In whatever case, this is the answer I was looking for. Hadn't gone back to slow-mo analyze the shot, so thanks for finding it. Apologies for rustling so many jimmies.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:56 pm to MontyFranklyn
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My left field hunch is that it was actually Jorah, finally returning to his queen. He could have made the charge seeing his queen being attacked and not wanting to risk Drogan not noticing before Jaime gets to Danny with his lance. Or he could have realized it was Jaime charging and known that he was more valuable as a living prisoner than as another torched soldier, saving him to be a bargaining chip. It would be the second time he gifted a Lannister to his queen. And it could lead off next episode mimicking his pulling Tyrion from the waters in Valyria.
Holy frick
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:56 pm to Scoob
quote:Well he would have a point. Theon is a dickless pussy
So, do you feel him out? Is he seriously aligned WITH Cersei, or just AGAINST Yara and Theon? If it's the latter, the case could be made that he's already dealt with that, and now it's a matter of whether he would bend the knee.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:59 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:If he did that with Dany and her dragons around, he's dead. No answer for the air strike, nowhere to flee.
What if Euron surprise attacks Dany's fleet on their way to Dragonstone? It's not likely/won't happen but if it did the melt here would be glorious.
I think Dany knows that. She realizes the tactical error of not providing air cover to retrieve the Dornish forces, and the attack on Casterly Rock.
They said they had enough ships left to bring the Dothraki to the mainland, and I think she was just providing cover for the transit. While aloft, she spotted the Lannister army in the Blackwater area, and saw an opportune target. If it were a more planned attack, I'd think more dragons would be employed, for greater shock and awe.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:08 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:It's funny because I think the retort of "dragons" isn't really fair in the argument about the scouts or lack thereof to see the dragon/Dothraki coming.
Jesus, let me say this again.... a 15 year old girl is not fast enough to just "dodge" a sword swung at full strength. Being small does not make you automatically have super speed. There are 15 year old girls tearing up UFC because they are just faster than the other fighters.
But in fairness, I do think the "dragons" line fits your quote. If we can believe that dragons exist blah blah blah, I think it's more than ok to believe Arya(who has had training as well) has turned into this 15 year old expert swordsman with super speed...no? I guess the question, in the context of this show, is why is that SO unbelievable? Especially knowing some of the powers she currently has already along with the sword training she's had as well.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:09 pm to Scoob
quote:It is painfully obvious, but the only problem would be her not being there to control the dragons. She couldn't be in three different places at once. If she had someone that could ride the dragons I think she would have gone with that strategy and it would have worked perfectly, but not having anyone else that could ride or control them probably prevented this as a legit possibility. Those dragons would go rouge without her being around.
If he did that with Dany and her dragons around, he's dead. No answer for the air strike, nowhere to flee.
I think Dany knows that. She realizes the tactical error of not providing air cover to retrieve the Dornish forces, and the attack on Casterly Rock.
They said they had enough ships left to bring the Dothraki to the mainland, and I think she was just providing cover for the transit. While aloft, she spotted the Lannister army in the Blackwater area, and saw an opportune target. If it were a more planned attack, I'd think more dragons would be employed, for greater shock and awe.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:11 pm to Brummy
just joining discussion but didn't pick up on where that was Jamie and Co. were attacked. Last I remember they were at Highgarden were they returning to KL? Where was that?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:11 pm to Scoob
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She might be inclined to give Euron 1 chance to speak his mind. All anyone knows about him is
He has a big cock
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:12 pm to ladyluckUGA
Somewhere in The Reach, I think.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:13 pm to MontyFranklyn
I cannot remember...can Bran speak through people he wargs with/through?
It would seem to me that a more efficient way for Bran to communicate with Jon is to warg into someone and talk to him directly.
It would seem to me that a more efficient way for Bran to communicate with Jon is to warg into someone and talk to him directly.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:13 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Considering they kept building up the villain of this season as worse than Ramsey (that villain is Euron), we haven't seen the last of Euron's bad behavior.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:14 pm to AggieDub14
Quick question: Does anyone else think that the only way Dany survives is if she marries Jon? For some reason the writing seems to be lending itself to the subtle suggestion that she will die if she doesn't marry him. It may just be me, but I just feel it.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
Regarding Dany treating with Euron
In comparison, Euron is (in their eyes) another guy with a major bone to pick with Theon and Yara, not greatly despised in the North, and simply attacked Yara's fleet whenever he could.
"you hindered my invasions, and for that I have cause to bring war on you. But I understand you have much contention with those who sided with me, and perhaps I chose the wrong fleet in my haste to travel. It seems that most of my advisors loathe this man as a faithless traitor, which I did not know in Meereen.
I offer you this choice- bend the knee and serve me, and I will give you support of your claim to the Iron Islands. Or remain loyal to Cersei, and burn with your ships in a bay of fire".
We know Euron would frick it up with his arrogance, but I could see Jon and Davos, Tyrion, and the Dothraki warlords not opposing it too greatly, in theory. Of course, the Dothraki also would like as many opponents to fight against as possible, in order to satisfy their bloodlust.
quote:Jon is now one of her advisors, and I could see him saying this exact thing about Theon. He wanted to kill him on the beach. He tolerated his still existing solely for the fact that he assisted Sansa, but there is still much to account for.
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So, do you feel him out? Is he seriously aligned WITH Cersei, or just AGAINST Yara and Theon? If it's the latter, the case could be made that he's already dealt with that, and now it's a matter of whether he would bend the knee.
Well he would have a point. Theon is a dickless pussy
In comparison, Euron is (in their eyes) another guy with a major bone to pick with Theon and Yara, not greatly despised in the North, and simply attacked Yara's fleet whenever he could.
"you hindered my invasions, and for that I have cause to bring war on you. But I understand you have much contention with those who sided with me, and perhaps I chose the wrong fleet in my haste to travel. It seems that most of my advisors loathe this man as a faithless traitor, which I did not know in Meereen.
I offer you this choice- bend the knee and serve me, and I will give you support of your claim to the Iron Islands. Or remain loyal to Cersei, and burn with your ships in a bay of fire".
We know Euron would frick it up with his arrogance, but I could see Jon and Davos, Tyrion, and the Dothraki warlords not opposing it too greatly, in theory. Of course, the Dothraki also would like as many opponents to fight against as possible, in order to satisfy their bloodlust.
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