re: GoT S7 E3 Thread: 'The Queen's Justice' Maester Thread

In a typical patriarchal monarchy.

You have a King
The first born son is the heir.
The second born son is the second in line, UNTIL the first born marries and has a son.
Then the first born's sons are successive in line.


Let's take Prince Charles.

His son with Dianna William is next in line. William's brother Harry would be after William's sons in line.


So any son of the first born has a better claim that any second or third born's claim.

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I mean there are a couple of significant differences. The Mongols actually had a set of laws that allowed them to effectively rule over and integrate conquered people. The Dothraki seem to have basically none of that. Tyrion won the only battle where he had any form of command prior to this, and I think the bigger issue is how Varys and Yara seem to completely miss a 1,00 ship fleet sailing around.

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What does the Mongols use of laws have to do with how they are portrayed as fighting? Nomadic horse archers who owned the steppes/plains sounds like Mongols to me.

As far as Tyrion goes he would've lost Dany the war against the slave masters had Grey Worm not checked him and Dany arrived with dragons and unless something unexpected happens to bail him out his strategic approach to the invasion appears to have been an unparalleled disaster.

He had the advantage of surprise, strong allies, troop strength, logistical support, a small but capable navy allowing freedom of movement, dragons and was fighting an opponent who should be weakened from previous wars against multiple opponents.

He has leveraged that into being on the precipice of outright defeat in less than two episodes. The Unsullied might as well be back in slavers bay for lack of transportation and food, her navy is sunk, Dorne and Highgarden are basically lost along with her food supplies and it's unclear how she would even get her remaining forces to the mainland unless they are already there.

He has had a French in WWII level bad start to this phase of the war.

The line of succession is not the most important thing in determining the next ruler for the Iron Throne. It is probably the least important factor. The most important factors for the next King/Queen is support and power. The line of succession and the legitimacy of the claim might help you win support and gain power, but no one is going to sit on the Iron Throne without an army to win it by conquest and hold onto it.

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As far as Tyrion goes he would've lost Dany the war against the slave masters had Grey Worm not checked him and Dany arrived with dragons and unless something unexpected happens to bail him out his strategic approach to the invasion appears to have been an unparalleled disaster.

He had the advantage of surprise, strong allies, troop strength, logistical support, a small but capable navy allowing freedom of movement, dragons and was fighting an opponent who should be weakened from previous wars against multiple opponents.

He has leveraged that into being on the precipice of outright defeat in less than two episodes. The Unsullied might as well be back in slavers bay for lack of transportation and food, her navy is sunk, Dorne and Highgarden are basically lost along with her food supplies and it's unclear how she would even get her remaining forces to the mainland unless they are already there.

He has had a French in WWII level bad start to this phase of the war.

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They should have staged that sneak-in at night before the navy was in sight. Once the navy came into sight send a token force to "attack" the walls, that would be the queue for the attack from the sewers to start.

Instead it looked like they actually pressed hard against the walls, losing a shite-load of lives in the process.

It might not be a bad idea if Dany were to start using a dragon for some aerial recon. Had they done that with Casterly Rock they may well have realized Jaime's deception ahead of time.

BTW: Emptying their own stores of food then going after the Martell's and leaving just enough of a token force at Casterly Rock to make it look decently defended was a brilliant move.

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Instead it looked like they actually pressed hard against the walls, losing a shite-load of lives in the process.

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Pretty sure that didn't happen...it was a portrayal of what Tyrion was saying would likely happen if they made an assault on the walls. They even suggested Grey Worm would die on the walls if you paid attention to his helmet and the guy that fell off the ladder. And Tyrion also thought they would be vastly outnumbered, which they weren't - at least not to the same degree as if the Lannister garrison was there.

Primogeniture succession means that when the heir dies, the crown still passes to his first born son. With Jon's half-brother murdered by The Mountain, Jon always was the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Have we talked about the scenes for next week yet?

A couple of screen grabs I thought were awesome:



Pretty sure that's the knife that was used to try and kill Bran. (Littlefinger's?)



Looks like "No One" is almost home!

Because it is.

Robert was legitimized by killing all the other Targaryens, thus making him by blood the last claimant to the throne. Due to Baratheons being cousins to Targs.

This is why he wanted Dany and Viseious killed.

The people of Westeros DO place blood right as important.

Jon Snow is reverred in the north for many reasons, but being the SON of Ned Stark is a huge point. Once the truth comes out there, will it change anything?

Dany's claim is based on being the last remaining Targ

Cersei's claim is that there are no heir's so power reverts back to the Queen Regent until an Heir can be produced.

If it was just about Power, Lannisters would have always sat the throne since the rebellion.

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He had the advantage of surprise, strong allies, troop strength, logistical support, a small but capable navy allowing freedom of movement, dragons and was fighting an opponent who should be weakened from previous wars against multiple opponents.

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Yeah, but he's going against an opponent that has become nigh omnipotent thus far in the plot. The intelligence network that Cersei, and Euron for that matter, employs is unbelievable. They suffer from no "fog of war" so far in this attempted conquest.