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re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:15 am to ohiovol
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:15 am to ohiovol
It was definitely there. I don't know if just the commands were High Valyrian and the rest was a dialect of Low or what.
I was just giving a small background on Latin endings for the betterment of the group.
I was just giving a small background on Latin endings for the betterment of the group.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:17 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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While it may have been true, Ned and Jon Arryn were never defeated by anybody in battle. Robert and Randyl met one time and that was at the Battle of Ashford, Jon and Ned weren't even there. And actually, that battle is considered indecisive because Robert got away with the bulk of his force.
Battle of Ashford- The Rose would strangle the Stag
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to ladytiger118
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I honestly don't blame Theon for literally jumping ship--they were defeated and Euron wasn't going to kill Yara at that point anyway. Makes more sense for Theon to peace out and plan a rescue later. Plus he has bad PTSD. I don't think what he did was out of character at all.
I don't have a problem with the underlying gist of that scene. But I think it really suffered from execution.
Thinking on that scene, I believe that it suffered from the limitations of a video as opposed to a written medium. If this were the books we would likely be provided with a Theon POV and thus would have access to his thought process. The way they filmed it we really have no idea what he put into that decision - PTSD? straight out cowardice? A considered decision not to put Yara in even more immediate risk of death? A decision he had a better chance of rescuing her later than save here then? Something else? (Not to mention whether he considered jumping into the ocean wearing armor was a good idea).
They might have been able to pull it off with very top notch writing, directing and acting. But I don't think they did.
For what it's worth I think clunky execution also hampered the end of the Arya, Nymeria scene. They shouldn't have to explain in a after-show feature what she meant by "that's not her". It just seems to be sloppy writing and/or directing.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:36 am to TigerintheNO
A Wiki of Ice and Fire-Battle of Ashford
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The battle occurred when the van of the Tyrell army under command of Lord Randyll Tarly ran into Lord Robert Baratheon's forces. Randyll's forces overran Robert's army, and Robert was forced to withdraw from the field before the main force of the Tyrell host had joined the battle.[2]
Lord Cafferen, a former Targaryen loyalist who had joined the rebels after his defeat at Summerhall, was cut down by Randyll whilst fighting for Robert. Randyll had his head sent to King Aerys II Targaryen.[4] On the Reach side, one casualty of note was Lord Mace's cousin, Ser Quentin Tyrell.
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The result of the battle was marked by Tyrion Lannister as inconclusive, thus it is likely the battle was not very large and Robert's forces remained relatively intact.[2] However, faced with the large numbers of the main Tyrell force, Robert had no choice but to withdraw from the south and attempt to link up with his allies in the north. To this end, he force-marched his troops north towards the riverlands. Robert's withdrawal from the stormlands allowed the victorious Tyrell army to invade the stormlands and lay siege to Storm's End.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:14 pm to ladytiger118
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I didn't realize this until my rewatch last night, but Euron's men were cutting the tongues off of them to be silent similar to Euron's crew from the books.
I honestly don't blame Theon for literally jumping ship--they were defeated and Euron wasn't going to kill Yara at that point anyway. Makes more sense for Theon to peace out and plan a rescue later. Plus he has bad PTSD. I don't think what he did was out of character at all.
It wasn't out of character at all and i didn't mean to imply that if i did - he is just a horrible character IMO.
I wished he would have sacrificed himself to try and save his sister who has tried to help him at her own risk. They implied he reverted to Reek when he jumped (it seemed that way to me with his fidgeting, eyes downcast, even Yara saw it when she started to cry) - doubt he plans on some rescue attempt and even if he does - he abandoned her at that point plain and simple.
I don't see how he can redeem himself at all and i really just don't want to have to go through the whole reek thing again.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:21 pm to Sneaky__Sally
After reading the preview chapter in WoW, I'd honestly rather be captured by Ramsay than Euron.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:27 pm to OMLandshark
I haven't read that, i'm holding off on the books until i think the series will actually be complete.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:29 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Ramsay's tortures are more physical, while Euron's are more psychological.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:44 pm to OMLandshark
i have some random comments (watched it last night)
1. dear actor who plays hot pie. what the frick, bro.
2. when Arya hears Jon is ruling the North at Winterfell, i had to laugh that she wasn't informed that Sansa was already there. i could definitely see Arya hearing later that Sansa is also in Winterfell and being like, "naw frick that" and turning around
3. would anyone give even a portion of a frick had Jon killed LF?
1. dear actor who plays hot pie. what the frick, bro.
2. when Arya hears Jon is ruling the North at Winterfell, i had to laugh that she wasn't informed that Sansa was already there. i could definitely see Arya hearing later that Sansa is also in Winterfell and being like, "naw frick that" and turning around
3. would anyone give even a portion of a frick had Jon killed LF?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:45 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Errybdy pissing on Theon, I think you all may have jumped on a big, shiny hook.
He had 2 choices: step to Euron/ certain death for he and Yara...or try (with the slimmest of chances) to get back to Danny and a potential hostage evac via her air cav.
He overplayed the fear/freak out for Euron- no sense chasing a broken man-whereas, if Theon truly broke, he would've reverted to Reek and done whatever his master commanded...too scared NOT to obey.
Regardless, Running was the only play other than unconditional surrender.
He had 2 choices: step to Euron/ certain death for he and Yara...or try (with the slimmest of chances) to get back to Danny and a potential hostage evac via her air cav.
He overplayed the fear/freak out for Euron- no sense chasing a broken man-whereas, if Theon truly broke, he would've reverted to Reek and done whatever his master commanded...too scared NOT to obey.
Regardless, Running was the only play other than unconditional surrender.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:47 pm to 19
Well said.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:48 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I don't see how he can redeem himself at all and i really just don't want to have to go through the whole reek thing again.
Well, I think it would be harder to redeem himself for killing the two miller's kids, burning their bodies and passing them off as Bran and Rickon than jumping off a ship instead of joining a fight he knew he would lose and possibly endangering his sister.
That's the problem with redemption arcs for characters like Jamie and Melisandre as well. Once you push a kid out of a tower window or burn a little girl, it takes quite of bit of redemption if it is even achievable.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:50 pm to Methuselah
This thread has 1112 comments compared to the Hodors' 88 comments 
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:52 pm to ladytiger118
That's because many of them post here now
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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3. would anyone give even a portion of a frick had Jon killed LF?
If Jon finds out LF betrayed Ned and Sansa reveals LF killed her aunt then no
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:55 pm to Methuselah
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The way they filmed it we really have no idea what he put into that decision - PTSD? straight out cowardice?
I interpreted it as he saw the guy getting his tongue cut out and realized it would be Ramsay 2.0 if he got caught.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
i mean who would weep for LF at this point?
pretty sure Royce would be happy as frick
pretty sure Royce would be happy as frick
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:56 pm to ohiovol
He jumped so he can live to fight another day.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
Is LF going to be creeping more on Sansa now that Jon is going to Dragonstone?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:59 pm to ladytiger118
i think he has to pull back from romantic advances and go for pure manipulation
like i just said, he has no real back anymore. the Vale is with Jon/the North, now.
like i just said, he has no real back anymore. the Vale is with Jon/the North, now.
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