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re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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3. would anyone give even a portion of a frick had Jon killed LF?
He'd at least need a reason to do so. As far as Jon knows, he does not.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:02 pm to 19
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Errybdy pissing on Theon, I think you all may have jumped on a big, shiny hook.
He had 2 choices: step to Euron/ certain death for he and Yara...or try (with the slimmest of chances) to get back to Danny and a potential hostage evac via her air cav.
He overplayed the fear/freak out for Euron- no sense chasing a broken man-whereas, if Theon truly broke, he would've reverted to Reek and done whatever his master commanded...too scared NOT to obey.
Regardless, Running was the only play other than unconditional surrender.
Yeah, knowing Euron, I'd certainly flee in hopes of fighting another day. He'd only get both him and Asha killed.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:04 pm to ladytiger118
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I honestly don't blame Theon for literally jumping ship--they were defeated and Euron wasn't going to kill Yara at that point anyway. Makes more sense for Theon to peace out and plan a rescue later. Plus he has bad PTSD. I don't think what he did was out of character at all
It wasn't out of character. He was made a bitch by queen sand skank just before this. It was the second time he abandoned his sister. Hopefully he drowns himself while adrift.
Bonus would be if he revives after drowning and is reborn by the Drowned god.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like i just said, he has no real back anymore. the Vale is with Jon/the North, now.
As I've said, his best option would have been to massacre Jon and his army instead of saving them.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:06 pm to 19
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Errybdy pissing on Theon, I think you all may have jumped on a big, shiny hook.
He had 2 choices: step to Euron/ certain death for he and Yara...or try (with the slimmest of chances) to get back to Danny and a potential hostage evac via her air cav.
He overplayed the fear/freak out for Euron- no sense chasing a broken man-whereas, if Theon truly broke, he would've reverted to Reek and done whatever his master commanded...too scared NOT to obey.
Regardless, Running was the only play other than unconditional surrender.
That is the only explanation that seems plausible - but i just don't know if I buy him having that in him anymore.
Regardless, very good theory.
The only problem is that wasn't Yara hanging dead on the end of the boat at the end of the scene (i was distracted watching so maybe it wasn't her). So, in that case, he still would have abandoned her.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:07 pm to OMLandshark
no doubt
but he says he "loves" sansa and wants her as his queen
LF was a great character up to this point...now its just kinda dumb for him to still be there
but he says he "loves" sansa and wants her as his queen
LF was a great character up to this point...now its just kinda dumb for him to still be there
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:10 pm to Methuselah
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That's the problem with redemption arcs for characters like Jamie and Melisandre as well. Once you push a kid out of a tower window or burn a little girl, it takes quite of bit of redemption if it is even achievable.
Mel will be redeemed in my view as long as she never takes off her collar on screen again. Jaime just needs to kill Cersei.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:11 pm to cgrand
Personally I don't think LF understands the difference between love and obsession. He never loved Cat or Sansa. He was more obsessed with the idea of having them, something just out of his reach. Once he set his sights on Sansa, he instantly forgot about Cat and began grooming her immediately into the Cat he always wanted. He was never torn up about the Red Wedding for instance.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:17 pm to cgrand
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LF was a great character up to this point...now its just kinda dumb for him to still be there
I'm starting to lean this way too. He was a great manipulator of events on a pretty grand scale. Now, they have him reciting things like "fight every battle in your mind at once"; "every possible outcome happens at once" or some shite like that. It's like they've turned him into a some sort of Rust Cohle/Yoda combination only with severe developmental disabilities.
I think the best we can hope for now is a glimmer of the chance of success somehow comes his way before the end comes for him.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:27 pm to Methuselah
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Well, I think it would be harder to redeem himself for killing the two miller's kids, burning their bodies and passing them off as Bran and Rickon than jumping off a ship instead of joining a fight he knew he would lose and possibly endangering his sister.
That's the problem with redemption arcs for characters like Jamie and Melisandre as well. Once you push a kid out of a tower window or burn a little girl, it takes quite of bit of redemption if it is even achievable.
I agree he can't - but in the world GRRM has created, abandoning your blood is something that even evil people rarely do.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:29 pm to Methuselah
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I'm starting to lean this way too.
Sadly the same. LF's game ends with the Others. He has not put them into account whatsoever and his plans are far too bound on the North for this not to be a deciding factor.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:31 pm to Methuselah
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I think the best we can hope for now is a glimmer of the chance of success somehow comes his way before the end comes for him.
I get the feeling he has no idea what is really coming with the white walkers and will be either fleeing south or hiding behind Jon to save his arse. Not much room or use for political posturing when an army of the dead comes through
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:37 pm to Saskwatch
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Bonus would be if he revives after drowning and is reborn by the Drowned god
From your keyboard to D&D's ears/eyes. How great would it be if Theon was morphed into a version of Patchface? That freak was spot on with prophecies through his creepy singsong poems.
I always thought it was a mistake to cut out Patchface if only because he demonstrated a form of magic attributed to a source outside of the red god and the three eyed raven. Which seems important to me. Sure, they kept things like Maggie the Frog and the Faceless Men. But I just would have liked to have seen even more sources. And the drowned god would fit the bill nicely.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:41 pm to etm512
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For what it's worth I think clunky execution also hampered the end of the Arya, Nymeria scene. They shouldn't have to explain in a after-show feature what she meant by "that's not her". It just seems to be sloppy writing and/or directing.
Did I miss some after show explanation? If so, is there a link to it? If not, what was the explanation?
Thanks.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:46 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:It was the sand snake strangled by her own whip
Yara hanging dead on the end of the boat at the end of the scene (i was distracted watching so maybe it wasn't her).
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:04 pm to Methuselah
LF should run for mayor of the Summer Isles.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:22 pm to Screamer
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Did I miss some after show explanation? If so, is there a link to it? If not, what was the explanation?
Thanks.
My understanding is that after the show there is a "Behind Game of Thrones" or something like that. And in that for S7Ep1 they apparently said that when Arya said "that's not her" what she meant was a parallel to when she told Ned "that's not me" when he told her she would one day be a lady and marry a lord way back in I think season 1. So what she was saying was it was not Nymeria to just trail along at her side back to Winterfell. She was a leader of a pack on her own and belonged in the wild.
I don't have a link handy (I'll try to find one) but I've read that in several different places so I feel comfortable it was said.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i mean who would weep for LF at this point?
pretty sure Royce would be happy as frick
Sweetrobin
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:31 pm to Methuselah
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My understanding is that after the show there is a "Behind Game of Thrones" or something like that. And in that for S7Ep1 they apparently said that when Arya said "that's not her" what she meant was a parallel to when she told Ned "that's not me" when he told her she would one day be a lady and marry a lord way back in I think season 1. So what she was saying was it was not Nymeria to just trail along at her side back to Winterfell. She was a leader of a pack on her own and belonged in the wild.
I watched it after the episode and that is what they said
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:42 pm to The Godfather
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