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Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:53 am to Peazey
No, the Empire never gave up fighting and used conquered worlds as slave labor to maintain the war effort. One could argue that the Empire was a stabilizing force for the galaxy pre Episode VI, but it was nothing of the sort after the Republic was reformed. Blaming the new Republic for the lack of stability post Palpatine is like when ANTIFA protestors shut down a conservative speaker because those speakers inspire violence...by ANTIFA...against innocent people. It's basically an argument of "you're so evil you make me riot and destroy stuff, therefor YOU are too dangerous to be around!" No, the Empire Remnents continued to be a massive thorn in the side for the fledgling republic, preventing any real stability.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:57 am to weagle99
apparently not. it was my impression in the force awakens (and they should have made the basics clear) was that they split planets and are in the midst of a cold war. it also seems like the rebellion took control of the planets that matter.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:15 am to alajones
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tripled down on the dumb arse Death Star idea except this time with a whole damn planet.
Yeah, but the next one is gonna be bigger and awsomer.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:27 am to weagle99
The upcoming Star Wars Battlefront II video game will cover events between RotJ and TFA, and will be canon. And will also be awesome. You should probably check it out.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:27 am to kingbob
"Slave labor." Rebel extremist propaganda to describe loyal and willing subjects of the Empire. It was the duty of the remaining fragments of the Empire to fight to restore order to the Galaxy after the chaos and inequity brought about by the commie rebels.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:34 am to kingbob
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No, the Empire never gave up fighting and used conquered worlds as slave labor to maintain the war effort.
None of that is cannon anymore. Now the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku about a year after Endor. A few small remnants remained in the known galaxy but they never really posed a threat to the New Republic.
The bulk of imperial forces retreated into uncharted space and became the first order.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:40 pm to Peazey
quote:Not to mention that below the Emperor/Sith leadership, it was a true meritocracy. You get the job done, you get promoted. If not...
Just goes to show that the Empire was actually the good guys in these movies. The Empire did nothing wrong. They brought stability and order to the galaxy. The terrorist rebels brought lasting civil war and death.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:41 pm to BlackAdam
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None of that is cannon anymore. Now the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku about a year after Endor. A few small remnants remained in the known galaxy but they never really posed a threat to the New Republic.
Is this in a book or something else that I missed?
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:52 pm to BulldogXero
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Maybe it wasn't as bad as living in Nazi Germany (despite what Disney continues to attempt to portray) or North Korea, but I think it at least comparable to the USSR or Communist China.
Probably not the thread for this, but I find it strange so many people don't realize how many of their own citizens the USSR and China slaughtered. For the 20th century China was #1 and the USSR #2 in civilian casualties (both in the tens of millions).
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:00 pm to molsusports
quote:Yea, they don't get the same airtime, but the USSR and China slaughtered way more than Nazi Germany. NK isn't even in the same universe.
Probably not the thread for this, but I find it strange so many people don't realize how many of their own citizens the USSR and China slaughtered. For the 20th century China was #1 and the USSR #2 in civilian casualties (both in the tens of millions).
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:22 pm to Scruffy
Mao is on the hook for over 70million. Stalin about 50 million.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:39 am to Dick Leverage
Ya but Hitler killed over six gorrilian juice !!!
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:04 am to alajones
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Is this in a book or something else that I missed?
Yes. Novels and the comics done by Marvel since Disney bought Lucas.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:27 am to BlackAdam
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Now the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku about a year after Endor. A few small remnants remained in the known galaxy but they never really posed a threat to the New Republic.
I'm assuming all of this info is in novels
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:27 am to molsusports
From some of what I have read, a lot of the people who died under the Communist China rule was from famine due to incompetence more than from active persecution. The government was/is still incredibly oppressive, and it being incompetence doesn't really make it any less shitty.
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Until the early 1980s, the Chinese government's stance, reflected by the name "Three Years of Natural Disasters", was that the famine was largely a result of a series of natural disasters compounded by several planning errors. Researchers outside China argued that massive institutional and policy changes that accompanied the Great Leap Forward were the key factors in the famine, or at least worsened nature-induced disasters.[13][14] Since the 1980s there has been greater official Chinese recognition of the importance of policy mistakes in causing the disaster, claiming that the disaster was 30% due to natural causes and 70% by mismanagement.[15]
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:05 am to alajones
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The Empire inexplicably changed its name to the First Order
Nope. The Aftermath trilogy is the detailed account of dismantling of the Empire and the birth of First Order. The first book is a pain to get through but Life Debt and Empire's End are pretty good reads.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:10 am to Peazey
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From some of what I have read, a lot of the people who died under the Communist China rule was from famine due to incompetence more than from active persecution.
In China, yes.
Mao is arguably the most incompetent government leader of all time. Throw in a steadfast belief in a ridiculous command economic system under a Marxist-Leninist government and you have the ingredients for the largest starvation of humans in history.
But, hey, he killed a bunch of sparrows in the process.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:56 pm to kingbob
In the old time line grand admirals became warlords and set up mostly in the core worlds and a few on the rim.
Zsing was the first notable.
Thrawn was the big one. Rebels didn't know he existed because all grand admirals were human and male. He didn't unite too much he just grabbed what resources he could and went ham.
Then Kevin j Anderson hacked together Daala who sucked outloud, killed everyone but Thrawns old aide-de-camp, and lost most of the empires remaining weapons.
She later became leader of the new republic somehow and Jacen Solo started a new empire.
Zsing was the first notable.
Thrawn was the big one. Rebels didn't know he existed because all grand admirals were human and male. He didn't unite too much he just grabbed what resources he could and went ham.
Then Kevin j Anderson hacked together Daala who sucked outloud, killed everyone but Thrawns old aide-de-camp, and lost most of the empires remaining weapons.
She later became leader of the new republic somehow and Jacen Solo started a new empire.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:18 pm to FearlessFreep
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Not to mention that below the Emperor/Sith leadership, it was a true meritocracy. You get the job done, you get promoted. If not...
I don't think this blanket statement can be made. By ESB I think Tarkin and Vader were about equal In terms of leadership. Prior to that in ANH Tarkin even ordered Vader to release one from of his men.
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