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re: Did Dottie drop the ball on purpose?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:46 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:46 am to AlxTgr
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But she added that she would never drop a ball on purpose — not for anyone — as Dottie does in the movie’s big-game climatic scene. It would have been a betrayal of her teammates.
So I've always been in the "she didn't drop it on purpose" camp, but I've never seen this.
I mean this is basically telling you she did it on purpose right? You know she had to be consulted quite a bit while making this so she would be in the know as far as what the movie was going for.
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:52 am to Ace Midnight
I’ve said in some of the 999 previous threads on this topic, if she does drop it on purpose she is the biggest most selfish bitch in the world. She would have fricked over the team AND undermined her sister’s moment of glory.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:57 am to Vood
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She was giving Kit her chance to shoot.
She does that by convincing the scout (Jon Lovitz) to take her to the tryouts. She tells him she’s a really good pitcher but just didn’t pitch that day. At the end when Kit says something about Dottie getting her in the league. She says you got yourself in the league I just got you a try out.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I’ve said in some of the 999 previous threads on this topic, if she does drop it on purpose she is the biggest most selfish bitch in the world. She would have fricked over the team AND undermined her sister’s moment of glory.
Okay I'll bite again.
And makes Penny Marshall a horrible Director along the lines of an M. Night twist because it's TOTALLY out of character...not just the entire movie BUT THE ENTIRE few minutes leading up to the hit.
The look of shock and awe by Dottie when Kit wallops a game winner after Dottie sold her out to the pitcher (as a good teammate should) by divulging Kit's weakness...says everything.
Then for Marshall to come in years later and say...oh yeah, she dropped it on purpose...because of feels or some shite...like Dottie changes her ENTIRE persona while Kit is rounding the bases?
And the kicker, that I've argued for years...when Dottie looks at Kit and smiles as Kit is being carried away by her team victorious on their shoulders...IS THE LOOK OF PRIDE...not that she gave her sister charity.
So filmmaking-wise, it was shot to convey to the audience that SHE DIDN'T drop it on purpose. If she did drop it on purpose, Penny Marshall sucks and is a horrible storyteller.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:12 pm to JS87
Oh look it's the Semi-Annual Dottie Ball Drop thread.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:55 pm to Dire Wolf
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Bill Simmons who will let you he is an only child of divorce, had such a strange take on Dottie and Kit's relationship.
But maybe it's not a strange take from his perspective. Maybe it's only strange from yours.
Only child with parents who divorced when I was young. She dropped the ball on purpose. Oh, and I'm old.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:56 pm to Vood
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Yes Dottie played hard and wanted to win the game and be better than Kit for the entire movie. At the moment she could give her sister everything, Dottie chose to make the ultimate sacrifice for her sister.
I think Dottie wanted Kit to win, but if she gives it to her then it’s meaningless.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:00 pm to JS87
No.
And anyone who says yes sucks dick by choice.
And anyone who says yes sucks dick by choice.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:12 pm to udtiger
I also say no after multiple rewatches. She was doing everything she knew to get her sister out. Her sister earned it and Dottie smiled in pride as if she had earned it.
I don’t believe the beginning was foreshadowing to mean she gave her the glory. I believe it meant to help your little siblings get a foot in the door. You can’t be truly proud of them if they didn’t earn it.
I don’t believe the beginning was foreshadowing to mean she gave her the glory. I believe it meant to help your little siblings get a foot in the door. You can’t be truly proud of them if they didn’t earn it.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:19 pm to LaLadyinTx
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But maybe it's not a strange take from his perspective. Maybe it's only strange from yours.
maybe, but if you listen to the podcast. It is a complete misread of the Kit character.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 10:11 pm to JS87
Posted on 5/20/22 at 10:17 pm to JS87
Marla Hooch screwed her team by getting married in season. If she doesn't leave they easily win the league. What a selfish count?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:20 am to Dire Wolf
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how many people are that are in the "on purpose" camp are older siblings
That’s me.
Dottie was always better than Kit. she dropped it to put family above herself.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:51 am to JS87
She doesn't drop it on purpose and the reason she smiles at the end is b/c she's proud of her little sister.
Dottie was the far superior player and she knew that ate at Kit to always be in her shadow. Kit was only even in the league b/c she convinced Dottie to join. If hadn't been able to do that she would have been stuck on the farm. On top of that baseball meant so much more to Kit than it did to Dottie that when Kit was able to knock the ball loose Dot couldn't possibly be upset.
She told her pitcher to throw her high fastballs b/c she thought Kit would strike out. She may have loved Kit but she still wasn't going to just let her win. Then Kit knocked the cover off the ball and knocked Dottie on her arse. Kit had climbed a mountain nobody, including Dottie, thought was possible. How could she not smile at Kit's success?
There's really just no chance she dropped it on purpose. She may not have loved the game as much as Kit but she was still a competitor who wanted to win. In losing fairly she was accept it was ok that Kit wanted different things from her and that Kit would be able to take care of herself.
Dottie was the far superior player and she knew that ate at Kit to always be in her shadow. Kit was only even in the league b/c she convinced Dottie to join. If hadn't been able to do that she would have been stuck on the farm. On top of that baseball meant so much more to Kit than it did to Dottie that when Kit was able to knock the ball loose Dot couldn't possibly be upset.
She told her pitcher to throw her high fastballs b/c she thought Kit would strike out. She may have loved Kit but she still wasn't going to just let her win. Then Kit knocked the cover off the ball and knocked Dottie on her arse. Kit had climbed a mountain nobody, including Dottie, thought was possible. How could she not smile at Kit's success?
There's really just no chance she dropped it on purpose. She may not have loved the game as much as Kit but she was still a competitor who wanted to win. In losing fairly she was accept it was ok that Kit wanted different things from her and that Kit would be able to take care of herself.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 12:54 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:16 am to LaLadyinTx
The only take I'll gleam from Bill Simmon's take is that the final shot was poorly edited which created this whole debate all along.
Marshall obviously wanted a dramatic close-up of the drop...but shot it in a way that looks like Dottie is maybe (to crazy people who didn't watch the whole movie) purposefully letting go of the ball...
I mean, you have one of the most violent collisions at the plate...and she holds onto the ball, only to open her hand and let it slip out when she's long on the ground???
So either Marshall is a genius to create that ambiguity or as I've argued...she didn't intend that ambiguity because of THE PRECEEDING 5 MINUTES of film she shot...
And alas, fricked up with the editing, trying to be dramatic by it being some slo-mo drop, thinking it was real cinematic and lady-like...and thought it would just be seen as a drop of a ball and not a never-ending argument...
Basically, her ineptitude as a filmmaker, she lucked into this controversy that will have longer legs than her film.
Marshall obviously wanted a dramatic close-up of the drop...but shot it in a way that looks like Dottie is maybe (to crazy people who didn't watch the whole movie) purposefully letting go of the ball...
I mean, you have one of the most violent collisions at the plate...and she holds onto the ball, only to open her hand and let it slip out when she's long on the ground???
So either Marshall is a genius to create that ambiguity or as I've argued...she didn't intend that ambiguity because of THE PRECEEDING 5 MINUTES of film she shot...
And alas, fricked up with the editing, trying to be dramatic by it being some slo-mo drop, thinking it was real cinematic and lady-like...and thought it would just be seen as a drop of a ball and not a never-ending argument...
Basically, her ineptitude as a filmmaker, she lucked into this controversy that will have longer legs than her film.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 2:20 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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14 years on here. my 28th Dottie thread. I still comment in every one
Don't we all.
On purpose. Always. The movie is not about Kit, it's about Dottie discovering what's important.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:29 pm to JS87
The only 2 certainties in life are that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose and you cannot replace a Gerry Bertier.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:44 pm to JS87
Original 1992 question that has been asked thousands of times since then.
Easy answer is WGAS? It’s a movie.
Easy answer is WGAS? It’s a movie.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:34 am to CocomoLSU
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We definitely needed this thread for the 1000th time.
Next up:
Michael Corleone, is he the villain?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:41 am to CocomoLSU
This movie and scene just aren't interesting enough to warrant how often this topic comes up
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