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re: Breaking Bad S5E16 9/29 "Felina" IT's ALL OVER

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Posted by stout
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:52 am to
Going through the BB Reddit and someone posted this. I missed this but it's awesome little details like this that I appreciate about this show


Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:52 am to
no replies to my speculation that the goon letting walt in told what was going to happen?

'you got what..489..? 500 in here?'

-- maybe referring to the number of rounds in the trunk..not horsepower.

walt replies 'i have no idea'
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Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:54 am to
your other post on the previous page is better
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:56 am to
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no replies to my speculation that the goon letting walt in told what was going to happen?

'you got what..489..? 500 in here?'


He's referring to the displacement of the engine. 500 = 500 cubic inches.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:56 am to
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I didn't mean like "Hey idiot, read closer," not at all.


I'll admit I lumped you in with some other. (Looking at you Chair)

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(Although, I think a nice TWIST to represent this is that contrasted with throwing money out of a car window, Jesse is the one who found a way to take care of Walt's family because he feels responsible that he signed Walt up for this in the first place. So maybe part of Season 5 (in a super reorganized narrative) was Walt going crazy because Jesse does what Walt was trying to do the entire time, take better of his family. Maybe this is what spurs along a much stronger conflict between Walt and Jesse. Just thinking outside of the box.)


I just don't see any way for Jesse to get his family the money that would work logistically. I will say I was waiting for some sort of twist as well, but was very satisfied regardless with the basically chalk ending.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:58 am to
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I'll concede to a point that - it was clear that they wanted there to be a malevolent villain - again following the pattern of someone with whom Walt does business, Tuco -> Gus -> Declan, etc., but the more important aspect to this final season is the family conflict with Hank/Marie, the splintering of his immediate family (again), AND Walt's final focus on making right whatever it was possible for him to make right (after all, he broke everything - ultimately it being all Hank's fault after all - even Mrs. Midnight admitted this at the birthday/ride along offer part).



And I'll agree here. I just wish there was a stronger presence against Walt from here. While these moments were often extremely satisfying (the "confession," Hank and Walt in the garage, Walt's last visit to Skylar (probably the best scene in the series, just brilliant overall), I think they missed the mark on a stronger presence because...

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This combination of Lydia, Jack and Todd did make for some interesting internal interactions


I disagree here. I don't think anything they did was interesting. If anything, stick with Declan.

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and I think that was worth not having a clear "villain" in the final act, because, while a stronger, more clear villain would have made the final act more interesting, I don't think it is required - Heisenberg is the antagonist, if you want to think about it that way - Heisenberg and what remains of his organization (Jack, Todd and Co.) - Walt's professional family finished off his actual one and he had to return the favor.


But this is an excellent point, well said.

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When he got back to the house and retrieved the ricin - he saw Heisenberg scrawled on the wall - think of that as Heisenberg's signature - "I did this. I am the one that knocks. I am the danger." But, he sees his reflection, he doesn't look much like Heisenberg at all - he doesn't look much like Walter, either, but definitely not Heisenberg.

Just my take...


And a good one. Great point again.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:59 am to
I didn't even know that assholes name was declan, i had to google him haha, i thought in the say my name episode he was just a one-time character, was cool to see him show up again and get popped
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:01 pm to
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Oh hey freauxzen is here to pick apart an immensely popular show with his armchair critiques. Thank Christ.


Oh hey so we can't say anything even remotely negative about the show? Good lord.
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:04 pm to
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Going through the BB Reddit and someone posted this. I missed this but it's awesome little details like this that I appreciate about this show


Can you explain this one, I am not seeing what you are.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:05 pm to
I want to see a meme with jesse woodworking that syas

I AM THE ONE WHO BOX
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:06 pm to
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Oh hey so we can't say anything even remotely negative about the show? Good lord.


You have some valid points. No show is beyond criticism - The Shield got a little preachy at times, The Sopranos fell into bad patterns here and there, and The Wire had Season 2 (which I liked, but many find faulty) and McNulty's somewhat crazy, fairly unbelievable scheme in the final season (that's reasonably non-spoilerish).

Doesn't change the fact these are some of the best shows ever.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:10 pm to
I've rewatched the Baby Blue final scene like ten times. Just an emotional moment, thinking back on everything that took place over the two years.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:12 pm to
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You have some valid points.


Thanks.

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No show is beyond criticism - The Shield got a little preachy at times, The Sopranos fell into bad patterns here and there, and The Wire had Season 2 (which I liked, but many find faulty) and McNulty's somewhat crazy, fairly unbelievable scheme in the final season (that's reasonably non-spoilerish).


Exactly.

(I've really been outspoken only twice on TV: Lost and BB, so I don't where this is some trend. And I criticize Lost so hard BECAUSE I liked so many parts of the show. The failure of Lost was just so....frustrating. I'm not trying to be contrarian, I hate that view. It's because I liked a lot of Lost so much that the glaring faults hit so hard.)
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
2386 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:14 pm to
Losing Gus sucked, but losing Mike was worse.

I think more than any good/bad, the contrast of Mike and Gus as professionals to Walt as an absolute fly by the seat of his pants amateur the entire time was the most interesting interplay of the show.

Once Mike and Gus were gone, there weren't any real pros left in the game, and everyone was just as much a loose cannon as Walt.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38662 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:22 pm to
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Losing Gus sucked, but losing Mike was worse.

I think more than any good/bad, the contrast of Mike and Gus as professionals to Walt as an absolute fly by the seat of his pants amateur the entire time was the most interesting interplay of the show.

Once Mike and Gus were gone, there weren't any real pros left in the game, and everyone was just as much a loose cannon as Walt.


Exactly. Which might have been intentional, but they didn't play off of it enough.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95643 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:23 pm to
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Once Mike and Gus were gone, there weren't any real pros left in the game, and everyone was just as much a loose cannon as Walt.


This is an excellent point - Heisenberg as an agent of chaos and change, in stark contrast to Walter's normal demeanor, which was of a stolid, conservative family man - Heisenberg ushers in an era of change - even facilitating Fring's revenge - and a changing of the guard from Gus, Mike and their associates, to Walt (as "Heisenberg), Lydia, Jack and Todd, this "new guard" much more reflected Heisenberg's chaos than Walt's stability.

ETA: Also, choice of name, "Heisenberg" - perhaps Hindenberg was being evoked here? Also killed by chemistry.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:35 pm to
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Also, choice of name, "Heisenberg" - perhaps Hindenberg was being evoked here?


No, Heisenberg was one of hitler's men.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14835 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:36 pm to
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but losing Mike was worse.


Can't be said enough. I'm praying to Jobu on the daily that he get's to be in the Saul prequel.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:37 pm to
Spot on.
Posted by Nonetheless
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Member since Jan 2012
34406 posts
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:40 pm to
I miss Mike.

I wasn't sure how the show would move on after killing off Gus, but it did.
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