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re: Breaking Bad S5E16 9/29 "Felina" IT's ALL OVER
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:05 am to JumpingTheShark
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:05 am to JumpingTheShark
I'm referring to when Gretchen said he bailed in her when they were on vacation or something like that. Why would he just leave?
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:06 am to craigbiggio
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sounded like they were on vacation with her family or something
oh yeah i totally forgot about this...she tried to explain to him when he says F*ck you to her
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:09 am to Freauxzen
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seeing as Season 5 was sort of a dud for me
really?
i mean the train robbery episode is one of my all time favorite episodes..as was oxymandrious (or however you spell it)
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
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What?
Yeah, not to diminish his opinion, but he's clearly in the minority - Bb isn't "perfect" (nothing is), but it consistently built - certainly from Boxcutter forward, to a nice crescendo.
Maybe I am, maybe some people just ignore some pitfalls because they love the show too much.
I thought the "villains," were terrible. Todd and the whole gang, just meh. Lydia? Meh. Hank finding out and then dying a few episodes later? Meh. Jesse going from great character to caricature? Meh.
Honestly, other than the usurping of Walt's empire, which he let them do and orchestrated himself, the new villains were clearly the worst of the series. No Tuco. No Gus. No crazy Mexican cartel. They were completely uninteresting and motivation-less. And when a show relies on the interplay of such bad characters, that can damage what is solid narrative.
And Walt, because the villains and the setup were terrible, had to make non-Walt choices more than a few times, which really affected the overall theme of the character (redeemed by the final episode's epic weight, but still).
And I'm saying this relative to BB as a show. Is it better than 90% of television on right now? Of course. Was the payoff and process of Season 5 good compared to the heights of Season 4? No, not close.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:10 am to LNCHBOX
I figured Jesse would live, and if anyone would have killed him it was gonna be Walt.
I didn't know it would rise from the trunk, but it was easy to know he would ambush the Nazis with it somehow.
And yes, I thought Walt would make some sort of peace with Skyler.
Again, all well done
I didn't know it would rise from the trunk, but it was easy to know he would ambush the Nazis with it somehow.
And yes, I thought Walt would make some sort of peace with Skyler.
Again, all well done
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:14 am to CAD703X
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seeing as Season 5 was sort of a dud for me
really?
i mean the train robbery episode is one of my all time favorite episodes..as was oxymandrious (or however you spell it)
I'm not saying it didn't have good episodes or good moments, it certainly did. But as a whole, the direction of the narrative and characters just didn't do it for me.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:14 am to SW2SCLA
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I didn't know it would rise from the trunk
didnt rise all the way. did you see the missing steel all along the side of the caddy?
also, i'm wondering if the 'what you got in here..500?' might have been in reference to how many rounds the m60 had.
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What are the sustained, rapid and cyclic rates of fire for the M60?
Sustained– 100
Rapid –200
Cyclic –550
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:14 am to Freauxzen
I agree. The tard Todd and his tweaker gang shouldn't have been such an important part of the end. I wasn't crazy about the gun setup either. The other villains were more than guys with guns, the Nazis were not.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:16 am to Freauxzen
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I thought the "villains," were terrible. Todd and the whole gang, just meh. Lydia? Meh.
I understand your point, to an extent. But I don't think any of these people were the villains in the final season. Walt was the main villain, they were ultimately just his pawns that eventually turned on him.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:17 am to Freauxzen
The first half of 5 was much better, IMO. Too much happened too quickly in the second half.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:18 am to TK421
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I understand your point, to an extent. But I don't think any of these people were the villains in the final season. Walt was the main villain, they were ultimately just his pawns that eventually turned on him.
Hence the quotes. They represented the opposition. They may not have been the villains, but they weren't the heroes of the show (which I think was a major failure of the show as well).
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:19 am to Freauxzen
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They may not have been the villains, but they weren't the heroes of the show (which I think was a major fail of the show as well).
What do you mean by this?
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:22 am to Freauxzen
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They may not have been the villains, but they weren't the heroes of the show (which I think was a major fail of the show as well).
The fail of the show was that the heroes didn't win? That is what made the show different.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:24 am to LNCHBOX
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What do you mean by this?
The show lacked a moral center to counter Walt (it was never Hank, at least not the way they presented it). Or better to say, the show had a moral center available and completely let it slip by the wayside, either to rush the end or because they feared making a more complex character than Walt.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:24 am to TK421
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The fail of the show was that the heroes didn't win? That is what made the show different.
That's not what I said.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:25 am to Freauxzen
The only thing that didn't make sense to me is these Nazis have 70M + Meth Money.
Yet the only thing Uncle Jack bought was a purple sweater.
Go figure.
Yet the only thing Uncle Jack bought was a purple sweater.
Go figure.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:26 am to Cajun Revolution
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The only thing that didn't make sense to me is these Nazis have 70M + Meth Money.
Yet the only thing Uncle Jack bought was a purple sweater.
Go figure.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:26 am to TK421
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The fail of the show was that the heroes didn't win?
The beauty of the show is that Walter's biggest enemy - always - was himself. He was the protagonist AND antagonist, although it can be argued that Jesse - particularly once he was in custody of Jack and Todd was the "protagonist" for the final act of this.
Walt is victimized, murders, is kidnapped, threatened, beaten, plotted against, plots, poisons, schemes, cheats, is cheated, etc. - in a similar vein to The Sopranos (and to a lesser degree, The Shield) the rest of the story was to draw comparisons/contrasts to the main character and provide interaction/motivation/obstacles/challenges for that character.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:27 am to Freauxzen
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The show lacked a moral center to counter Walt (it was never Hank, at least not the way they presented it). Or better to say, the show had a moral center available and completely let it slip by the wayside, either to rush the end or because they feared making a more complex character than Walt.
I don't think the show needed a "hero" in the way you're using it. The show was all about Walt's journey going from a boring HS teacher with cancer to Heisenberg, and all of the shite that transformation caused. I don't think it needed a hero to counter what Walt became.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:29 am to Freauxzen
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Uncle Jack bought was a purple sweater
I didn't even think about this. I know purple was symbolic of something, but I got confused by what the different colors were supposed to represent in the end
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