re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Tomato watch 29%

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Huh? How so? You make sound like BvS is the standard for this movie genre. Did you forget marvel has already done this twice? (Avengers 1 & 2).

Marvel is the gold standard, and BvS isn't even close to making par by marvel standards.

Civil war will at the least be as good as any other marvel movie before it, and all they have to do is what they've been doing. I assume they'll go beyond that for civil war though.


BvS didn't effect marvel before this, and much less does it effect it now. Marvel has been there, done that, it has nothing to prove, especially not just because BvS sucks.

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Because there are people who are complaining about superheroes, and even if BvS is bad, there are reviewers who are out to squash the genre, asking it to take a break. If BvS is this bad, then Civil War is equally as bad, or just not good, what does that say?

There's also the consistency argument, like you say, they've all been at least as good as some above average minimum, the pressure on that mounts with each movie. A failing Ant-Man? No big deal. A failing Civil War with MOST of your cast and team-ups? Problem.

Marvel still has plenty to prove as well. For one, some expect BvS to fall under the same "dark for dark's sake" that MoS suffered. That "dark" movies can't work. On the contrary, they can, and should, but Snyder doesn't get it. If MCU is going a little darker with this film, then even darker with Dr. Strange potentially, then there is that to consider as well. We need some tonal variance for comic book movies to continue, so if they have a little more violence, have a real villain (Zemo please), and put real stakes on the line and fail, right after DC failed, everyone will take note. Marvel would probably change course, keep everything super light and keep making Ant-Man and the like. CW is a gamble. I'm still worried about the character count.

I think, much like GotG was the litmus for Marvel going into B and C level heroes, Civil War will have to prove both AoU and BvS wrong, that Marvel can be a little darker, and that they can succeed in a different type of conflict in these movies, and that they can shift speeds even more than they have (WS).

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“Justice League is a little bit lighter because some of these characters, you have Flash, tend to be a little more comedic I’d say,” producer Deborah Snyder confirms in the video above before director Zack Snyder adds: “One of the things that lightens it is having The Flash or having characters that are more optimistic. This movie is in particular is two characters who are in a crisis of conscience which sort of draws them together.”

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So, he clearly has his wife or mom coming to his defense now. It is nearly complete.

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Marvel still has plenty to prove as well. For one, some expect BvS to fall under the same "dark for dark's sake" that MoS suffered. That "dark" movies can't work. On the contrary, they can, and should, but Snyder doesn't get it. If MCU is going a little darker with this film, then even darker with Dr. Strange potentially, then there is that to consider as well. We need some tonal variance for comic book movies to continue, so if they have a little more violence, have a real villain (Zemo please), and put real stakes on the line and fail, right after DC failed, everyone will take note. Marvel would probably change course, keep everything super light and keep making Ant-Man and the like. CW is a gamble. I'm still worried about the character count.

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I think Snyder takes "darker" too literally. When I complained early on that Game of Thrones was too dark, it had nothing to do with violence. It was physically too dark.

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It's officially opened and we have overseas numbers. You can start calling it a flop now (don't worry about the high numbers, those are misleading I'm sure).

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Again, this movies still makes a billion.

Hitler reacts to the BvS reviews

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Again, this movies still makes a billion.

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It'll be hard to hit a billion with all this negativity. If it turns out that the GA likes it, then it's possible. But without strong word of mouth, I can see it dropping fast like MOS did.

I dont think it breaks a billion. I find it very interesting you were highly negative before the movie came out and before reviews. Now will negative reviews confirming your unfounded suspicions your entire tone has changed.

What games are you playing, sir?

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Superhero fatigue is setting in,

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based on what? Deadpool has made over $700mil in the middle of February.....as an R rated movie.

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In a new DC ALL ACCESS episode, the cast and crew of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice discuss their excitement about the upcoming release of the film. However, the most interesting part of the interview comes courtesy of Ben Affleck. The Academy Award winner confirms that he's collaboration with DC Comics Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns on "something". Could that "something" be the standalone Batman film that Deadline reported was in the works last July. The statements from Affleck certainly line up.

"Geoff Johns is a brilliant guy," said Affleck. "I consider him to be the most valued resource on all things comic book. And every time I like something in a comic I mention, he goes, 'Oh yeah, I wrote that.' Now I just think he's bullsh*tting me, because he says he wrote everything. He and I are working together on something and I really am excited about it and I love him. He's the best."

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