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re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Tomato watch 29%
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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"If you’re interested in a film you should see it and form your own opinion rather than just going on the word of somebody [else]."
Yeah. Screw the critics; go see it yourself.
Glad to see some sensibility. I'm sure they wouldn't have been trumpeting the critics opinions if they were overwhelmingly positive. Warner Bros. would have simply said that people should just decide whether they want to see it or not.
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:08 pm to Dr RC
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It's that there is little excuse for WB/DC to be so GD bad at making their own shared DCU. They have none of the rights issues to contend with. They have major financial backing. They have a wide variety of characters that can be used for all kinds of film genres. Yet aside from a very solid Batman trilogy from Christopher Nolan, we get pure shite to average and little more.
Along these lines, is anyone asking for an aquaman/cyborg/shazam movie? After the initial nerdgasm of them announcing these movies wore off, I realized that I give two shits about these solo films.
DC has so much material they could explore and they don't have to follow Marvel's game plan. Snyder is not the guy you hand your universe over to though.
Hell, they could have just launched a DC universe from a flashpoint movie. I'm fine with them doing some Batman/Superman movies, but it sounds like this isn't the one you make. Introduce the JL. That's fine. Every movie doesn't have to be a team movie, but DC has not built up the good will to go make an Ant Man or a Dr. Strange. So why not do JL and maybe do a solo Flash to introduce the concept of time travel to the general movie audience and even hint at the multiverse if you want.
Why can't we then get movies like a Brave & the Bold with Flash/GL or Flash/GA? shite tell some newer batman stories. Follow some cues from the DCAU. Lets do some Superman/Batman team up movie between JLs (this obviously can't be done now) or Batman solo movies.
There is a reason the animated movies haven't had solo shazam/aquaman/cyborg movies either. Not enough people care.
ETA: That Supermax movie would have been a hell of a movie.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:10 pm to JasonMason
Snyder is no Whedon
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:12 pm to Freauxzen
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Actually this puts a ton of pressure on Civil War. Maybe more than if BvS were good.
IF, in fact, BvS is terrible (and I still don't believe it ), then Civil War is tasked with proving that the big, non-team movie can work, that the vs. concept can work, and that it can bridge the gap between being meaningful, moving the story forward, pleasing the audience, and pleasing critics, while providing a satisfying conclusion. Released in such succession, critics and audiences are going to bring the same thought process into Civil War. I think Civil War has to "be better," as ALL eyes are going to be on it to reinforce the idea that Superhero movies aren't that bad. They are going to bring the same critiques and critical eye to it.
Huh? How so? You make sound like BvS is the standard for this movie genre. Did you forget marvel has already done this twice? (Avengers 1 & 2).
Marvel is the gold standard, and BvS isn't even close to making par by marvel standards.
Civil war will at the least be as good as any other marvel movie before it, and all they have to do is what they've been doing. I assume they'll go beyond that for civil war though.
BvS didn't effect marvel before this, and much less does it effect it now. Marvel has been there, done that, it has nothing to prove, especially not just because BvS sucks.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:14 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Huh? How so? You make sound like BvS is the standard for this movie genre. Did you forget marvel has already done this twice? (Avengers 1 & 2).
Marvel is the gold standard, and BvS isn't even close to making par by marvel standards.
Civil war will at the least be as good as any other marvel movie before it, and all they have to do is what they've been doing. I assume they'll go beyond that for civil war though.
BvS didn't effect marvel before this, and much less does it effect it now. Marvel has been there, done that, it has nothing to prove, especially not just because BvS sucks.
Have to agree with everything here. BvS puts zero pressure on Civil War. Marvel has good will to spare at this point, and they don't have to put the hopes of a universe squarely on CW. They've also been at it in the MCU since 2008. Even if CW were to suck, they've got plenty of momentum.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:17 pm to JasonMason
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Along these lines, is anyone asking for an aquaman/cyborg/shazam movie?
No, I want a Captain Marvel movie dammit!
But yea, I want Shazam b/c CM has been my favorite character for years.
This is part of why BvS getting all these bad reviews has me triggered. I want my damn Shazam and I want The Rock as Black Adam but it keeps getting pushed back for more Batman and Superman. Now w/BvS potentially getting returns far less than what WB anticipated it may kill or once again push back the Shazam movie.
Honestly, I'm not even totally sure how they hell they would be able to do a Shazam in this DCU if they remain intent on the dark, gritty, violent motif Snyder has a hard on for.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:17 pm to BlacknGold
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iron man 3 is a best picture nominated movie compared to this.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:22 pm to Dr RC
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Honestly, I'm not even totally sure how they hell they would be able to do a Shazam in this DCU if they remain intent on the dark, gritty, violent motif Snyder has a hard on for.
This is why Snyder was the wrong choice to create the universe. I'm not saying down the line a Shazam/CM movie wouldn't be good. I'm saying at this point DC doesn't have the audience's trust or good will built up to make that kind of movie right now. They have to make some one care about a shazam movie or make the audience believe that they can do a good job.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:25 pm to Dr RC
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No, I want a Captain Marvel movie dammit!
frick, man. I'll just settle for a good ongoing series at this point. We havent had some good Shazam in forever. I absolutely love that character. He's a better version of Superman.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:44 pm to BlacknGold
It is now at a 8.0 on IMDb. I just read several user reviews on BvS from IMDb. The main thing people are saying is that it is better than TDK, don't listen to the critics, it is visually one of the best films out there. I'm still keeping an open mind about this film. But, it does seem that the non critics, which none of us or very few of us are, really enjoyed this movie.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:46 pm to Large Farva
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The main thing people are saying is that it is better than TDK
They are trolling you hardcore.
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But, it does seem that the non critics, which none of us or very few of us are, really enjoyed this movie.
No, you've only heard from the fanboys who have no life. They waited for hours to see a damn trailer a few months back (that was going to be released the next day) and then went to see it early because of that. They also loved Man of Steel, which many posters on this board have a problem with. Anyone who has seen it since Tuesday or later has come back with pretty scathing opinions.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:46 pm to BlacknGold
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I'll just settle for a good ongoing series at this point. We havent had some good Shazam in forever. I absolutely love that character. He's a better version of Superman.
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:47 pm to OMLandshark
Don't really care. I am going to watch it either way and make my own opinion.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:48 pm to Large Farva
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But, it does seem that the non critics, which none of us or very few of us are, really enjoyed this movie.
listen, I really hope some of you can find enjoyment from this film. It's too expensive to be a total waste. But how many true fans got to see it so early that werent paid off or have an agenda?
Like someone else pointed out, the RT audience score has begun to dip. It is not even fricking close to TDK. That should tell you everything you need to know about these people.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:55 pm to BlacknGold
Here is an idea how about you and OMLandshark just don't go see the movie. It's really that simple.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:56 pm to JasonMason
Here is the Screen Rant non-spoiler review
***Summary below***
They said it was a good movie in it's own right, but they did a really bad job of setting up the DC universe
The Good
- Aflleck was a great Batman
- Superman was great
- Most of the BvS fight was amazing
- Batman's reasoning for targeting Superman were very well fleshed out
- Galdot was good as WW
The Bad
- The movie was five movies in one
1) Batman Solo
2) Superman Sequel
3) BvS movie fleshing out their ideological differences
4) JL setup movie
5) Lex Luthor movie
While most of the individual parts were good, they did a piss poor job of tying it all together.
- Eisenberg was exactly as advertised in the trailers. If you had concerns about him based on the trailers then you probably won't like his performance.
JL stuff (other than WW) was shoehorned in with with very little plot reasoning other than to set up the JL movie.
- Lots of switching between plotlines for characters that they spent minimal time fleshing out.
- The resolution to the fight between Batman and Superman was an "interesting" moment.
- The trailers spoiled damn near everything. Very few surprises
-Wonder Woman's debut was great, but wasted. She deserved a stand alone
- Based on this movie, it would be very difficult to go directly into a JL movie and do it justice.
***Summary below***
They said it was a good movie in it's own right, but they did a really bad job of setting up the DC universe
The Good
- Aflleck was a great Batman
- Superman was great
- Most of the BvS fight was amazing
- Batman's reasoning for targeting Superman were very well fleshed out
- Galdot was good as WW
The Bad
- The movie was five movies in one
1) Batman Solo
2) Superman Sequel
3) BvS movie fleshing out their ideological differences
4) JL setup movie
5) Lex Luthor movie
While most of the individual parts were good, they did a piss poor job of tying it all together.
- Eisenberg was exactly as advertised in the trailers. If you had concerns about him based on the trailers then you probably won't like his performance.
JL stuff (other than WW) was shoehorned in with with very little plot reasoning other than to set up the JL movie.
- Lots of switching between plotlines for characters that they spent minimal time fleshing out.
- The resolution to the fight between Batman and Superman was an "interesting" moment.
- The trailers spoiled damn near everything. Very few surprises
-Wonder Woman's debut was great, but wasted. She deserved a stand alone
- Based on this movie, it would be very difficult to go directly into a JL movie and do it justice.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:57 pm to Large Farva
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Here is an idea how about you and OMLandshark just don't go see the movie. It's really that simple.
Well he's already seen it, and I'm actually excited about seeing this. I've seen the writing on the wall for years, and it's about to pay off. I'm a big Batman and Superman fan, and I wouldn't miss trolling this movie for the world. I'm going tonight, hopefully with some other fans highly displeased with Snyder.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:57 pm to Large Farva
Well, I saw it already. Also, I was one of the biggest backers of this movie prior to it coming out. How about you follow these discussions prior to making your obtuse judgements and then you can see the full scope of things.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:58 pm to OMLandshark
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Word comes by way of IGN, who spoke to both Deborah and Zack Snyder ahead of Dawn of Justice‘s arrival. There, the creative pair shed new light on the Justice League, hinting that the likes of The Flash (Ezra Miller) will bring a lighter tone to the ensemble.
“Justice League is a little bit lighter because some of these characters, you have Flash, tend to be a little more comedic I’d say,” producer Deborah Snyder confirms in the video above before director Zack Snyder adds: “One of the things that lightens it is having The Flash or having characters that are more optimistic. This movie is in particular is two characters who are in a crisis of conscience which sort of draws them together.”
Posted on 3/24/16 at 2:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
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“One of the things that lightens it is having The Flash or having characters that are more optimistic. This movie is in particular is two characters who are in a crisis of conscience which sort of draws them together.”
Justice league will be M Night Shamalan bad.
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