re: Batman 1989 is still a masterpiece comic book film.

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I'll take DeVito as Penguin over Nicholsons Joker.

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no. Never.

The penguin was cringeworthy.

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And I will die on the hill that while the Nicholson Joker is entertaining, its just Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson with some clown paint on

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I know this idea gets thrown around a lot, but I disagree.


In 89 Jack wasn’t even even “Jack” really as we know him today. That image actually kind of took over after he played Joker imo.


Think about it. Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces, Chinatown, Cuckoo’s Nest, Shining, Reds, Terms of Endearment, these are not very similar characters or performances.


Even in Batman, he switches from straight tough guy mobster to manic Joker in the movie after he practically comes back from the dead and has a break from reality.

Even his follow ups are Jessup in AFGM, Hoffa, Wolf, Crossing Guard.


He wasn’t just Jack Nicholson because there was no just Jack Nicholson.


It’s a really good performance and if it wasn’t for the silly facial prosthetics it would be even more highly regarded and considered less campy imo.


Also, Burton’s vision of Gotham is second to none and will always be the standard imo.

Keaton was a great Wayne imo, and I love the Batman suit. Yeah it wouldn’t have been practical with the lack of flexibility but it looked awesome.


And Vicki Vale was fire


Plus, Eckhardt was the GOAT Gotham dirty cop

Eckhart is played by the actor who played Porkins in Star Wars and one of the “top men” people in Raiders.

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It’s a good Tim Burton movie but the fact that it shits all over the source material as much as it does disqualifies it for being a great comic book movie

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Draconian Sanctions

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This may qualify the thread to be changed to “Let’s over analyze Batman (89)” but here goes


I think one of the things I always liked best about Burton’s Batman is that there is only one main villain.

Every other entry in the franchise has at least two, and except for Returns and to a lesser extent Begins, I feel like it makes them all feel overdone.


None suffer from this more than TDK, obviously, which has always been why it’s my least favorite in Nolan’s trilogy. The addition of Two Face in the final act after such a dose of Joker already in the first two is just overkill.


I’ve never been a comic reader, so is that common in the comics? Did the villains often work in tandom, or at least simultaneously?



If so, I guess it makes more sense, but otherwise it just seems like compromising to add another big name actor to the billing imo.

Well, Anne, anyway. I’ve never found Marion Cotillard very attractive. Certainly not the type a billionaire playboy would go gaga over.

I think each iteration has its place if done right. I’m a huge fan of the Adam West series because it makes no qualms about what it is. And West and Ward play it just straight enough without taking themselves too seriously.

But Batman is a character you can go dark with and get away with. The Night of the Owls arc of the new 52 was great. And the Nolan films are unique in their own space in the archives.

What I wish they’d do is a Batman detective story. We forget that Bruce is a genius and the worlds greatest investigator. Give me a CSI style Batman series that focuses on that.